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tommylutz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

How does one take delivery of a 12' long 850lb crate?  I was told by someone at ZenithAir that I would be responsible for getting the crate off the truck if I have it delivered to my home.  Does anyone have a technique for doing this besides pushing really hard? 

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DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Taking delivery of 701

I took my 12' long, 350# 601 fuselage box home in my pick-up truck from the trucking terminal.  I backed it up to my heavy-duty table in my garage and slid it off onto the table with help from wife and friends.  Now your's is quite a bit more heavy but the same methods could apply.  You could come-along it onto whatever surface you have.  Does the trucker offer home delivery?  It will be a bit more expensive, but could be worth it depending on your situation.  If they don't, a local moving independant outfit will.  Check your local listings.  How about a U-haul flat bed?  The trucking terminal can fork it onto whatever trucking method you choose.



Good luck,

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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Tom,



I had the same problem.  ZAC ships with Yellow Freight and they are set up to make deliveries to a dock with a semi trailer.  I don't know of many homes (or hangers for that matter) that have a dock. Yellow wanted to deliver it to my front curb. My garage faces to the alley, but they wouldn't drive their semi down the alley. I had to pay extra, but I got them to deliver it with a box truck with a hydraulic lift on the back. The Yellow drivers (three different ones) had no problem getting the crates into my garage. Call before the delivery date to avoid delays.



Jay in Dallas



BTW, I had stipulated on my order to ZAC that it be delivered to the rear; and that was clearly marked on the packing crate. Didn't matter.



"Tom Lutz" <tommylutz(at)gmail.com> wrote:



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		  How does one take delivery of a 12' long 850lb crate?  I was told by someone

at ZenithAir that I would be responsible for getting the crate off the truck

if I have it delivered to my home.  Does anyone have a technique for doing

this besides pushing really hard?

dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

My 601XL complete kit arrived in a crate 4' x 4' x 12' that weighed over 900 pounds. I took my 12' x 6' single axle trailer trailer (you can rent something similar if you need to) the freight terminal where the crew jockeyed the crate onto the trailer. 



Once we got home with it, I used the loading ramps at the back of the trailer to skid the crate onto the garage floor. We had to skid it off the trailer by getting under the front end of the crate with a couple of 4' lengths of pipe. Two of us would pry up with the pipes and the crate would slide down the incline of the pipe moving a foot or two each time. We repeated the process until it was on the garage floor. 



After that it gets much easier because you can basically dismantle the crate and never have to move the whole mess again.



Dred



---- Tom Lutz <tommylutz(at)gmail.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   How does one take delivery of a 12' long 850lb crate?  I was told by someone

 at ZenithAir that I would be responsible for getting the crate off the truck

 if I have it delivered to my home.  Does anyone have a technique for doing

 this besides pushing really hard?

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Buy, borrow or steal a pickup truck or van and either drive it down  

to the terminal to get the crate or slide the crate out of the  

delivery truck into the back of the pickup. This should be fairly easy.



Now you can slide the crate out of the back of the pickup until it  

balances. Pivot the end of the crate down to the ground and start  

sliding it farther back from the truck until most of it is clear.  

Then you can slide the other end down a some kind of ramp attached to  

the truck. Make sure the ramp is anchored some how so it can't slide  

off the truck. You might be able to do this from the back of the  

delivery truck, but they are usually higher off the ground.



Once it's on the ground, you can either drag it to where you want it  

or open it up and unpack it.



On Mar 15, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Tom Lutz wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   How does one take delivery of a 12' long 850lb crate?  I was told  

 by someone at ZenithAir that I would be responsible for getting the  

 crate off the truck if I have it delivered to my home.  Does anyone  

 have a technique for doing this besides pushing really hard?




	




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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Taking delivery of 701

U-Haul truck, get one for a day. Cram the crate in it at the dock. Take it

to wherever you want the kit. And disassemble/unload it in the truck.  That's how I've done it (twice). Total time about 9 am, to 1 pm to get 

the truck pick up the crate AND unload it by myself.



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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Tom,

      One way to get it off of  the truck is to tie a rope to the box and tell the driver to just slowly drive  out from under it.  Then unpack it right where it lands and take the parts  into your garage.  This is a good time to find out how many of your friends  or EAA chapter members are really your friends.

  

 Tracy Stone

 ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300

 Harker Heights, Tx

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japhillipsga(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Tom, all I would add to Tracy's fine recommendation is get a couple old mattresses to lay on the ground where the box falls. That way most of the precision pre punched and expensive, soft, malleable parts and pieces will still fit together, or nearly fit together. I'm just trying to help. Having built a XL a couple years ago and about a third through an RV-8a I just have to say it "Tom, if you can't get a big box off the back of a truck, you may not be able to build an airplane." Now I have said what everybody on this thread was probably thinking. Seriously, I also highly recommend you join an EAA chapter, find some experienced builders and fixers and get them to counsel and help you on this project. Best regards, Bill of Georgia

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barcusc(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Have it shipped to a Yellow Freight dock near you,  borrow a boat trailer and pick it up with that. They will not have any trouble  loading it onto the trailer and most boats weight more than the crate you  will be hauling so that won't be a problem and it will be easy to strap down. By  the way, it only takes about an hour to unload, that's the fun part because it  reminded me of Christmas when I was a kid.

  

 Clyde

 601XL

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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Hi Tom



 My 601 kit was delivered 2 weeks ago in Zenith's very strong 12x4x3.5' crate. Because I live in the tulles, Yellow said there would be a $70 cordage(?) charge to deliver it to my home address. Fortunately, my neighbor, Mel, has a flat-bed trailer and a backhoe. We picked it up at the Yellow dock in Missoula, where they loaded it onto his trailer with a forklift. It had one hole in it from shipping, but I haven't found any internal damage yet.



 At my place, Mel plucked it off the trailer with straps and his back hoe bucket as shown in the attached photos. The guy is an artist with a backhoe--what more can I say. I couldn't recommend his method, but it worked for me. I had visions of a crumpled crate full of thousands of dollars worth of crumpled aluminum. I haven't calculated the compressive force on the 900 lbs crate, but it had to be a lot. He just drove the crate into the garage and set it down on two furniture dollies with 2x4x4's laid across to distribute the load.



 Using some great ideas offered by others on this list, I used the crate's plywood sides for the large shelf under my 4x12' table, and I used the top for my shelving. I haven't got the crate unloaded yet, but it sits just fine on the dollies with the top and sides off.



 Search the archives for lots more ideas on how to get the crate off a trailer or truck.



 Terry



 

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

How are things over at Hell's Gate these days? I've been away since leaving Great Falls in 1980. BTW, my 601XL crate had a hole in it too but likewise no internal damage.



Dred



---- Terry Phillips <ttp44(at)rkymtn.net> wrote: 

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		   Hi Tom

 

 My 601 kit was delivered 2 weeks ago in Zenith's very strong 12x4x3.5' 

 crate. Because I live in the tulles, Yellow said there would be a $70 

 cordage(?) charge to deliver it to my home address. Fortunately, my 

 neighbor, Mel, has a flat-bed trailer and a backhoe. We picked it up at the 

 Yellow dock in Missoula, where they loaded it onto his trailer with a 

 forklift. It had one hole in it from shipping, but I haven't found any 

 internal damage yet.

jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Just to show that there are lots of variations on a theme, I rented a U-Haul truck and parked it on the street near my house.  Roadway delivered the box in a semi-trailer.  The driver had a forklift inside the trailer which he used to push the box out of his trailer into the U-haul truck.  They were almost the same height off the ground.  He was gone 5 minutes later.  I unloaded the box in the U-haul truck inventorying the contents as I went.  I carried it piece by piece into my house.  I don't have a garage.  I was even able to lock up the truck when lunchtime came to have a proper meal!  It rained a little but I didn't care because nothing got wet.  U-haul makes their money on mileage.  I put 7 miles on the truck!

Jeff Davidson



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TH-SR

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 22
Location: WI

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Another option:



Slowly winch the crate from the carriers trailer or loading dock onto the

deck of a roll-back tow truck, back that up to your garage (shed, hanger,

etc.), tilt the deck, and gracefully slide the crate to the ground. 



Todd Henning

West Bend, WI

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Bill of Georgia,

      The advice about joining  the EAA and picking the brains of the local chapter members who have built an  all metal airplane is the best advice yet.  I just assumed everyone  building an airplane was a member of EAA but I guess there some builders who are  not.

  

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RURUNY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

This worked well for me

  

 http://www.701builder.com/delivery1.htm

  

 Brian



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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Hi Tom,



 Pushing really hard may not be enough for a crate that heavy.  You can tie a rope around it and the other end to a tree. 



 What I did was rent a U-Haul trailer and go to the Yellow Freight terminal to pick it up.  They put the crate in the trailer for me and it was a simple matter for me to get it off with a rope and my little tractor (Kubota).  This may not be your best choice either.  Perhaps you can recruit a couple of really strong men and get some help.



 Good luck,



 Paul

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Can't take it any more......Get it off the trailer and onto the drive way.  Take the 4' pieces of pipe ( 4 pieces 1" pipe works good) lift the box up &  slide them under about 2'/3' apart. 3 go under & one is at the very front.  Push until the back pipe rolls out, Pick it up & place it under front &  push again. It helps if you put them in line with each other. You say ya  got legs under the box....put 2X4's under the sides & nail to the legs, put  the pipes under the legs. Have moved 10 ton compressors with this method.  Bigger pipe & heavier than 2X4's.  Up hill...rent a chain "come-a-long"  from U-haul.   KABONG  Do Not Archive

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

I used to build Pyramids that way.

  

  

  

  

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Yep. Used logs instead of "pipes". The more things change, the more more  they stay the same.

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: Taking delivery of 701

Great Wall of China..... smaller blocks but a lot more of 'em.



Dred



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