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chalengr(at)interl.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Nose gear parts

I am thinking about buying a unfinished classic 4 and would like to make it 

a trigear, would anyone know where there is nose gear parts and also engine 

mount parts for a lycoming. cell# 319 520 5177, thanks.

MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: Nose gear parts

Jerry sez:



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		  I am thinking about buying a unfinished classic 4 and would like to 

make it a trigear, would anyone know where there is nose gear parts 

and also engine mount parts for a lycoming.


	


Nose wheel parts should be available from Kitfox, LLC: 

<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com>.  Before you make the purchase, you 

should run some weight and balance numbers and consider the weight of 

that engine.  You may find that you won't have much useful load left 

unless you go with a lighter engine.



Mike G.

N728KF

chalengr(at)interl.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

At 06:32 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote:

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		  >Thanks , I checked with Kitfox and the parts are pretty pricey new, 

>what other engines are availible, I just don't like Rotax.

Don't like Rotax, eh? Well, there's the Rotec radial, for that 

Stearman look. (http://www.rotecradialengines.com/) There's the HKS 

opposed twin, a replacement for the 582. (www.hpower-ltd.com, and 

http://www.greenskyadventures.com/ pushes these heavily.) Then 

there's Jabiru, of course, with two air cooled engines, 85 and 120 

hp, highly recommended by several on this list. (I know Michel likes 

his Jabiru.) A quick check of the Jabiru web site, 

http://www.jabiru.net.au/, shows installation packages for Kitfoxes 

1-4 for the 85 hp engine and for Kitfoxes 4 & 5 for the 120 hp 

engine. (Be careful of their horsepower claims, Jabiru markets the 85 

as a replacement for the 65 hp Rotax 582, and the 120 as a 

replacement for 100-120 hp engines. I don't know why. As I said there 

is good information on their relative performance in the archives and 

on this list.)

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Jerry,



I would be interested in your reasons for not liking Rotax.



Lowell

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chalengr(at)interl.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Thanks for the info, I will look up those sites.

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Think  about the Jabiru 2200. That's  what I've got and I love it.

Lynn

Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200

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On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Jerry Saar wrote:



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Beemer

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 87
Location: Middle Georgia

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: Nose gear parts

Don't forget the Geo 1.0L G10. Equivalent to the Rotax in power, and several

distinct advantages over the two strokes.



Bradley



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KF2 (and now an M3!)
Suzuki G10 three-banger
Middle Georgia

chalengr(at)interl.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Nose gear parts

I  feel the rotax are overpriced , short lived, expensive to overhaul and 

then they are liquid cooled on top of it, and the gearboxes sound like my 

great granpa's threshing machine. there has has to be something better. I 

have built two glasairs with lycomings but they seem too big for a kitfox.

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kr2(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Nose gear parts

I wouldnt run a Geo,or a Suburu on any

aircraft..............................,ben there done

that............................!

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		   [Original Message]

 From: Bradley M Webb <bmwebb(at)cox.net>

 To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 3/22/2007 6:46:28 PM

 Subject: RE: Re: Nose gear parts



 



 Don't forget the Geo 1.0L G10. Equivalent to the Rotax in power, and

several
	


[quote] distinct advantages over the two strokes.



 Bradley



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Beemer

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 87
Location: Middle Georgia

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, of course. But that's a pretty vague

statement.



My G10 is running superbly. Smooth, 2gph, and good power. Like the Subie,

many hours on many planes...few problems.



Run what you like, but he asked for options to the Rotax.



I'm not sure of the Classic IV, but if the airframe can handle the weight,

and the money doesn't scare you, look at the Continental O-200. It is heavy,

but they are really nice motors. I'd go that way if building a 'fox with a

higher MTOW.



Bradley



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KF2 (and now an M3!)
Suzuki G10 three-banger
Middle Georgia

Beemer

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 87
Location: Middle Georgia

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Oh come on, Lowell. He doesn't like them for the same reason many others of

us don't. Too noisy, too much vibration, outrageous prices (for what they

are), too many rebuilds, sudden stoppages...the list goes on and on.



You've heard it all before...

Bradley



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KF2 (and now an M3!)
Suzuki G10 three-banger
Middle Georgia

FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Mark,



I have to disagree as your statement is way too broad.



I have a 912 on my 'Fox but I run a Sube on my 

Nieuport and I couldn't ask for a better engine for 

that plane.



Apparently you either had poor setups or bad 

engines.  A great engine selected (or poorly setup) 

for the wrong application will yield poor results.



Regards,



Ted



--- Original Message ---

From: "Mark Thompson" <kr2(at)earthlink.net>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: Nose gear parts



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<kr2(at)earthlink.net>
	


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I wouldnt run a Geo,or a Suburu on any

aircraft..............................,ben there done

that............................!

> [Original Message]

> From: Bradley M Webb <bmwebb(at)cox.net>

> To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

> Date: 3/22/2007 6:46:28 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: Nose gear parts

>

> 

Webb" <bmwebb(at)cox.net>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  >

> Don't forget the Geo 1.0L G10. Equivalent to the 

Rotax in power, and
	


[quote]several

> distinct advantages over the two strokes.

>

> Bradley

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Thanks Jerry,



I will offer an opinion.  Overpriced? likely true.  Short lived? I could 

argue that point unless you are referring to the two stroke.  I just did a 

comprehensive annual condition inspection and the compression was 78, 79, 

78, 79 over 80 after 830 hours and I have never used a drop of oil between 

oil changes.  Lots of folks like the water cooled because there are certain 

inflight issues that are a no brainer with water cooling and cooling system 

failures are virtually non existant.  I have never heard of one.  The gear 

boxes are noisy, but, of course, that is engineered into it to smooth out 

the torsional vibration. You never hear it in flight.



 I might encourage you to reconsider Rotax if you are interested in 

performance.  I doubt at this point there is an engine in it's weight class 

that can compete in performance in the Kitfox.



One thing that a Rotax pilot has to overcome or more exactly ignore is the 

lawn blower comments.  It doesn't bother me as I doubt the Lyconimg and 

Continental guys have been to places I have been and flown at the locations 

I have flown and landed at some of the places.  And for that matter taken 

off from places and climbed out without having to find the thermals or 

flying the 360s to get over a ridge.



I might suggest, with some prejudice of course, that you can't beat the 

Rotax for performance and reliability.



Lowell

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Bradley,



If I might,  I would like an answer from Jerry which incidentally came this 

morning.  But too noisy? - you gotta be kidding.  I live in a residential 

airpark and get tons of comments on my quiet engine and this from folks that 

are immersed in aviation.  Vibration? - kidding again.  Outrageous prices? - 

you may have a point there, but lose the argument when you add (for what 

they are).  With out a doubt they are the best performing engines in the 

lighter Kitfoxes hands down.  If your goal is setting a low cost record as 

some have tried in the scrounged parts hobby - as reported occasionally in 

the mags - you have a point, but if you want to fly behind an extemely 

reliable, high power / weight engine, you can't beat the R-9xx series 

engines or even the two strokes in their hp range.



I'd Love to have you join the group on it's way down to Arizona to the 

Desert Fox Squadron fly-in next week or maybe the group flight this summer 

to Idaho's back country to compare performance - side by side.  Or maybe 

better get together with Dave and fly along side him as he does his short 

field takeoffs in his early 582 powered Kitfox - yours is a II, isn't it?  I 

think he has a II.



I think you just caused about 100 guys on the list to choke on their coffee 

this morning after reading your post - both the 582 and 912 - 14 guys.



Lowell

do not srchive



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FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

Amen Lowell.  I wouldn't take anything for the 912 in 

my Kitfox.  10 yrs and 400hrs and it still runs 

strong and quiet.  With that said, I'm not brand 

centric either as I have the Sube in the N11 and I'm 

putting an 0-360 in the Bearhawk I'm building.  To me 

it's all about picking the right engine for the right 

application.



Regards,



Ted

--- Original Message ---

From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Nose gear parts



 	  Quote: 	
		  

<lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

Thanks Jerry,



I will offer an opinion.  Overpriced? likely true.  

Short lived? I could 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  argue that point unless you are referring to the two 

stroke.  I just did a 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  comprehensive annual condition inspection and the 

compression was 78, 79, 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  78, 79 over 80 after 830 hours and I have never used 

a drop of oil between 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  oil changes.  Lots of folks like the water cooled 

because there are certain 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  inflight issues that are a no brainer with water 

cooling and cooling system 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  failures are virtually non existant.  I have never 

heard of one.  The gear 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  boxes are noisy, but, of course, that is engineered 

into it to smooth out 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  the torsional vibration. You never hear it in flight.



 I might encourage you to reconsider Rotax if you 

are interested in 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  performance.  I doubt at this point there is an 

engine in it's weight class 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  that can compete in performance in the Kitfox.



One thing that a Rotax pilot has to overcome or more 

exactly ignore is the 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  lawn blower comments.  It doesn't bother me as I 

doubt the Lyconimg and 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  Continental guys have been to places I have been and 

flown at the locations 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  I have flown and landed at some of the places.  And 

for that matter taken 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  off from places and climbed out without having to 

find the thermals or 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  flying the 360s to get over a ridge.



I might suggest, with some prejudice of course, that 

you can't beat the 
	


[quote]Rotax for performance and reliability.



Lowell

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Beemer

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 87
Location: Middle Georgia

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: Nose gear parts

After the last couple of weeks on this list, I'm about done with posting

here. I have mine, you have yours...I'll leave it at that, and not get

sucked into this argument.



Good day,

Bradley



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KF2 (and now an M3!)
Suzuki G10 three-banger
Middle Georgia

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