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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:01:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  bakerocb(at)cox.net writes:

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		  Hello    Greg, Check out a not-so-cheap solution    here



http://www.radiorax.com/



and also to get some idea of what    is involved in installing a stack of 

avionics.

	


 

Good Morning OC,

  

 For What It Is Worth;

  

 I installed a set of the RadioRax in my Bonanza a few years ago. They  aren't cheap, but they sure work nice and the assistance from the manufacturer  was terrific.

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



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sam(at)fr8dog.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

I have the same radio stack, just used .250 AL bar, and taped the holes for #8 screws. I also added 1 support in the rear of the stack.

 

 bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net) wrote: [quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb(at)cox.net> (bakerocb(at)cox.net)   

   

 3/30/2007   

   

 Hello Greg, Check out a not-so-cheap solution here   

   

 http://www.radiorax.com/   

   

 and also to get some idea of what is involved in installing a stack of avionics.   

   

 OC -- The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge.   

   

 PS: That is a great selection of equipment.   

   

 Time: 06:53:31 PM PST US   

 From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com> (gmvouga(at)hotmail.com)   

 Subject: Avionics-List: Avionics Mounting   

   

 Hi All, I am hoping to get some info on mounting a stack of Garmin equipment in my   

 RV-7A.  I just received a GMA-340, GNS-430W, SL-30, and GTX-327 with   

 mounting trays.  I'm told that the rest of the mounting hardware such as   

 screws, brackets, etc. are not included.   

   

 I can start looking for low profile screws and fabricate brackets, but I   

 don't want to re-invent the wheel if it's not necessary.  Are there   

 reasonably priced installation kits out there?  How have others handled   

 this?   

   

 Thanks in advance,   

   

 Greg   

 gvouga(at)gmail.com (gvouga(at)gmail.com)   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:39:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  sam(at)fr8dog.net writes:

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		  I have the same radio stack, just used .250    AL bar, and taped the holes for #8 screws. I also added 1 support in the rear    of the stack.

	


 

Good Morning

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Good Morning Sam,   

 The advantage (if there is any) to the RadioRax is that they are infinitely  adjustable. If you want to rearrange or add anything to the stack, there is no  need to drill new holes. With any of the more conventional strips, the new holes  often conflict with old holes which will then require that a new support bar be  fabricated and installed. 

  

 If you are absolutely certain you will never want to change anything, there  is little advantage to the RadioRax system.

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8



  

 In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:39:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  sam(at)fr8dog.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I have the same radio stack, just used .250    AL bar, and taped the holes for #8 screws. I also added 1 support in the rear    of the stack.

	


 



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john_rv10(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Hi Bob,  

   

Do you have any photos of your install that you could send to me?  

   

Thank you,  

John Cleary  

         

  

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In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:39:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sam(at)fr8dog.net writes:  

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I have the same radio stack, just used .250 AL bar, and taped the holes for #8 screws. I also added 1 support in the rear of the stack.  	
  

  

Good Morning  

    

   

    

Happy Skies,

 

 Old Bob

 AKA

 Bob Siegfried

 Ancient Aviator

 Stearman N3977A

 Brookeridge Air Park LL22

 Downers Grove, IL 60516

 630 985-8503  

  



 

         

  

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Good Evening John,   

 I remember that I did document the installation quite thoroughly, but I  can't find the pictures!

  

 May I suggest that you check the RadioRax website to see what they look  like?

  

 www.radiorax.com

  

 Meanwhile, I will try to have one of my children help me find the lost  images!

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



  

 In a message dated 3/30/2007 4:49:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  john_rv10(at)yahoo.com writes:

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Hi    Bob,   

    

Do you have any    photos of your install that you could send to me?   

    

Thank    you,   

John    Cleary   

 	


 





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sam(at)fr8dog.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

I'll work on that today.

Sam Marlow



RV_10 wrote:

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 Do you have any photos of your install that you could send to me?



  



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 In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:39:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 

 sam(at)fr8dog.net writes:



     I have the same radio stack, just used .250 AL bar, and taped the

     holes for #8 screws. I also added 1 support in the rear of the stack.



 Good Morning



  



 Happy Skies,



 Old Bob

 AKA

 Bob Siegfried

 Ancient Aviator

 Stearman N3977A

 Brookeridge Air Park LL22

 Downers Grove, IL 60516

 630 985-8503



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sam(at)fr8dog.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Yes that's very true, but I can just build another AL bar rack before UPS can deliver a made to order unit. It's simple and cheap, from your Lowe's aviation department!

 

 BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote: [quote]                  Good Morning Sam,    

   The advantage (if there is any) to the RadioRax is that they are infinitely adjustable. If you want to rearrange or add anything to the stack, there is no need to drill new holes. With any of the more conventional strips, the new holes often conflict with old holes which will then require that a new support bar be fabricated and installed. 

    

   If you are absolutely certain you will never want to change anything, there is little advantage to the RadioRax system.

    

   Happy Skies,

   

 Old Bob

 AKA

 Bob Siegfried

 Ancient Aviator

 Stearman N3977A

 Brookeridge Air Park LL22

 Downers Grove, IL 60516

 630 985-8

   

    

   In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:39:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sam(at)fr8dog.net (sam(at)fr8dog.net) writes:

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		  I have the same radio stack, just used .250 AL bar, and taped the holes for #8 screws. I also added 1 support in the rear of the stack.

     	
   

   

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Good Morning Sam,   

 But you can't make and install a new bar in the time it takes me to loosen  a screw and slide the radio sleeve up or down an eighth of an inch. There is no  need to ever touch the mounting bars once they are installed. The placement of  all fastenings is infinitely adjustable forever!

  

 Why do you feel it would be necessary to wait for a made to order  unit?

  

 Do Not Archive

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



  

 In a message dated 4/2/2007 7:38:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  sam(at)fr8dog.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Yes that's very true, but I can just build another AL bar    rack before UPS can deliver a made to order unit. It's simple and cheap, from    your Lowe's aviation department!



BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:     	  Quote: 	
		                      Good Morning Sam,       

     The advantage (if there is any) to the RadioRax is that they are      infinitely adjustable. If you want to rearrange or add anything to the      stack, there is no need to drill new holes. With any of the more      conventional strips, the new holes often conflict with old holes which will      then require that a new support bar be fabricated and installed.      



	
	


 





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sam(at)fr8dog.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Well, I was referring to my case only, since I already have mine installed. I guess I didn't make that very clear. 

 Keep it simple and fly sooner!

 Sam Marlow

 

 BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote: [quote]                  Good Morning Sam,    

   But you can't make and install a new bar in the time it takes me to loosen a screw and slide the radio sleeve up or down an eighth of an inch. There is no need to ever touch the mounting bars once they are installed. The placement of all fastenings is infinitely adjustable forever!

    

   Why do you feel it would be necessary to wait for a made to order unit?

    

   Do Not Archive

    

   Happy Skies,

   

 Old Bob

 AKA

 Bob Siegfried

 Ancient Aviator

 Stearman N3977A

 Brookeridge Air Park LL22

 Downers Grove, IL 60516

 630 985-8503

   

    

   In a message dated 4/2/2007 7:38:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sam(at)fr8dog.net (sam(at)fr8dog.net) writes:

    	  Quote: 	
		  Yes that's very true, but I can just build another AL bar rack before UPS can deliver a made to order unit. It's simple and cheap, from your Lowe's aviation department!

     

     BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		                                     Good Morning Sam,        

       The advantage (if there is any) to the RadioRax is that they are infinitely adjustable. If you want to rearrange or add anything to the stack, there is no need to drill new holes. With any of the more conventional strips, the new holes often conflict with old holes which will then require that a new support bar be fabricated and installed. 

       

       

       

       	
     	
   

   

   

   

   

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echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Good Morning Sam,

  

 But you can't make and install a new bar in the time it takes me to 

 loosen a screw and slide the radio sleeve up or down an eighth of an 

 inch. There is no need to ever touch the mounting bars once they are 

 installed. The placement of all fastenings is infinitely adjustable 

 forever!

  

 Why do you feel it would be necessary to wait for a made to order unit?

  


	




Why wouldn't you just cut slots instead of tapped holes in the Lowe's 

Aviation angle?  It's not infinitely adjustable, but there's plenty for 

what's necessary.



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sam(at)fr8dog.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

I'm a little close on room, my panel is full.

 

 Ernest Christley wrote: [quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ernest Christley <echristley(at)nc.rr.com> (echristley(at)nc.rr.com)   

   

 BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:   

   

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		  Good Morning Sam,     

       

 But you can't make and install a new bar in the time it takes me to loosen a screw and slide the radio sleeve up or down an eighth of an inch. There is no need to ever touch the mounting bars once they are installed. The placement of all fastenings is infinitely adjustable forever!     

       

 Why do you feel it would be necessary to wait for a made to order unit?     

       

   	
   

   

 Why wouldn't you just cut slots instead of tapped holes in the Lowe's Aviation angle?  It's not infinitely adjustable, but there's plenty for what's necessary.   

   

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Good Morning Ernest,

  

 Given adequate machining capability, you could produce almost anything you  wanted to produce.   

 I was merely commenting that I like the way RadioRax work and I wish I  would have thought of it!

  

 You can manufacture your own engine if you want to. I tend to buy my  engines already built and I also buy other products that are beyond my  capability of producing economically.

  

 Whatever works!

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



  

 In a message dated 4/2/2007 9:08:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  echristley(at)nc.rr.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Why    wouldn't you just cut slots instead of tapped holes in the Lowe's 

Aviation    angle?  It's not infinitely adjustable, but there's plenty for 

what's    necessary.

	


 





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echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:



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		   Good Morning Ernest,

  

 Given adequate machining capability, you could produce almost anything 

 you wanted to produce.

  

 I was merely commenting that I like the way RadioRax work and I wish I 

 would have thought of it!

  

 You can manufacture your own engine if you want to. I tend to buy my 

 engines already built and I also buy other products that are beyond my 

 capability of producing economically.

  

 Whatever works!

  


	


For a cheap slotted hole, you can buy a rotary saw.  Looks like a drill 

bit with a serated edge.  To cut aluminum, wax up both sides real good 

with a candle.  Scrape a little on the bit, too.  For a really straight 

slot, clamp a fence to your drill press table (or a friends table if you 

don't have one, and he ain't lookin').  Drop the bit through at the 

start of the slot and push the piece through to the end of it.  The 

fence would be a chunk of 2x4, another piece of angle, or any other 

straight object of suitable length.  It's easier if you can find a 

suitable helper, as it's best to have two hands on the workpiece if 

possible.  If it isn't possible, clamp a fence on both sides of the 

angle so it can't spin on you.



Maybe I should take some pictures of the process and send it in to the 

new guy doing home machine shop articles in Kitplanes.



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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Good Afternoon Ernest,   

 In my opinion, the article produced would still have no where near the  capability of the RadioRax. 

  

 I think it is wonderful that you and others have the freedom to make and  use whatever you want on your airplane. 

  

 I also have a choice. 

  

 Given the choice between anything I have yet manufactured and the readily  available manufactured items, I will take the readily available RadioRax!

  

 Maybe I remove and add components to my radio stack a lot more often than  do most others, but drilling new holes and slots in an existing piece of  aluminum is not as pleasurable to me as is just loosening a binding screw  and moving the radio sleeves wherever I want them to be.  A little extra  effort during the original installation saves me hours of work every time  thereafter that a radio needs to be moved or replaced.

  

 Happy  Skies,

  

 Do Not  Archive

 

Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



  

 In a message dated 4/2/2007 1:20:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  echristley(at)nc.rr.com writes:

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		  For a    cheap slotted hole, you can buy a rotary saw.  Looks like a drill 

bit    with a serated edge.  To cut aluminum, wax up both sides real good    

with a candle.  Scrape a little on the bit,  too. 	


 





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dfritzj(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: Avionics Mounting

I purchased some extruded bars and associated hardware that seems to work as well as RadioRax for much less.  Follow this link for the catalog.  I haven't flown yet, but mechanically these look like they'll work quite well, the bars are made so that once you tighten down the mounting screws the aluminum is preloaded and therefore resistant to loosening from vibration.  Try this link:



http://www.8020.net/PDF/Fractional%20Section%201.pdf



Dan



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john(at)morgensen.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Dan, can you provide more info on your rack design using these parts? 

The 'finds' on this list are amazing!



John Morgensen



D Fritz wrote:

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		   I purchased some extruded bars and associated hardware that seems to 

 work as well as RadioRax for much less.  Follow this link for the 

 catalog.  I haven't flown yet, but mechanically these look like they'll 

 work quite well, the bars are made so that once you tighten down the 

 mounting screws the aluminum is preloaded and therefore resistant to 

 loosening from vibration.  Try this link:

 

 http://www.8020.net/PDF/Fractional%20Section%201.pdf

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: Avionics Mounting

Sure thing, unfortunately, I can't send any pictures out.  I bought the 1" square extruded profile (don't remember the part number, but it's in the catalog).  I used one face to attach the bar to the back of the panel with countersunk screws and "T" nuts in the bar.  That left the other three sides available for things to attach to, with one of these bars on each side of the opening for the avionics stack, I simply put screws through the holes in the avionics trays and threaded them into "T" nuts dropped into the slots on the bar.  It worked very well and was simple to assemble while also leaving lots of flexibility for the future.  Time will tell how well this setup stands up to vibration in flight, but I have high hopes.  The only downside to these vice the pricier commercial option is that these take up a full inch side to side for each bar while the other only uses about a half inch.  I had the room in my Velocity panel so it wasn't a  big deal.



I hope this was clear enough, if not let me know and I'll arrange for some photos.



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