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 Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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I'm flying an AMD-made 601XL out of Marathon in the Florida Keys, I fly over water 90% of the time. . My worry about getting out if I'm nose-down in the drink is real. Yes, there is a "fire axe" by my left knee, but my primary emergency drill is open the canopy, prop it open with my hard cover kneeboard, and hope the deceleration swings it forward off the airplane when I make my perfect water landing.
I have flown with the canopy unlocked and can testify that it raises up an inch or two, makes a hell of a roar, but doesn't do anything else bad.
I have tried a taxi test (holding on to the handle) and I think that the canopy will fly forward with hard deceleration.
I TRY to keep the baggage compartment pretty clean, but still it often has hard objects in it. (Have you seen the "Myth Busters" "Killer Tissue Box" episode?) .
So, thinking about keeping my head under rapid deceleration, has anyone developed a "best way" to install a cargo net in the baggage space of a 601XL?
Sources of the net? Pictures?
Frank Derfler N183AM AMD-made 601XL (and yes, I love it and would buy it all over again... although I'd put another Dynon screen on the right side)
See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
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Tim Juhl
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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Fixed gear aircraft will tend to flip upside down on contact with the water and then right themselves somewhat. The tight seal of the skins making up the wings of an XL should supply bouyancy for a few minutes at least. If the canopy locks are released (and prevented from re-engaging) the bubble of air beneath the canopy will lift it open if the aircraft begins to sink.
We had a ditching a couple of years ago in Lake Michigan where a guy ran a Cherokee 140 out of gas about 10 miles off Milwaukee at night. After ditching he stood on the wing of the floating aircraft and used his cell phone to call 911. Unfortunately he wasn't carrying a lifejacket and by the time the USCG was on scene the plane had sunk and he had disappeared. The aircraft was later located sitting upright on the lake bottom in 120 feet of water. It looked like someone had just parked it there. I suspect the XL would have similar ditching characteristics.
Food for thought - a life jacket with a strobe light and the story would have had a different ending.
Tim
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bryanmmartin
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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That would be this one I believe. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?
ev_id 050428X00522&key=1
With a life jacket and strobe, they might at least have found his
body. If they had found him withiin the first hour, he might have
even survived. He went down in late april, at that time of year, that
lake is COLD. It never gets very warm that far off shore. If you go
down in Lake Michigan any time of year, you'd better have a life raft
or imersion suit or you won't survive very long.
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We had a ditching a couple of years ago in Lake Michigan where a
guy ran a Cherokee 140 out of gas about 10 miles off Milwaukee at
night. After ditching he stood on the wing of the floating
aircraft and used his cell phone to call 911. Unfortunately he
wasn't carrying a lifejacket and by the time the USCG was on scene
the plane had sunk and he had disappeared. The aircraft was later
located sitting upright on the lake bottom in 120 feet of water.
It looked like someone had just parked it there. I suspect the XL
would have similar ditching characteristics.
Food for thought - a life jacket with a strobe light and the story
would have had a different ending.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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Frank,
Although my install is on a 701 you can do it on your 601 easy enough.
I used 5/8" stainless pad eyes from http://www.WestMarine.com. Type in 212415 under their keyword search to see.They had 4-packs of these at the store at a cheaper price.
I used 2 on top and 2 on bottom in the middle of the cargo area. There are also 2 on the cargo floor just behind the seats. The cargo net clips off the top 2 and can be connected to the 2 front behind the seats depending on what is going back there. Or I could use the 2 nets I have. Finding a cargo net the size you need is easy looking on Ebay. I measured the size of the cargo area and looked for one a bit smaller so it would stretch nicely to the pad eyes. Most of the nets on Ebay have dimensions given but I wrote a few to get ones that weren't. Also pad eyes rivet on nicely with A5 rivets.
Go to http://www.701Builder.com and on the homepage scroll down a few pics to see the install.
Brian
| Quote: | So, thinking about keeping my head under rapid deceleration, has anyone
developed a "best way" to install a cargo net in the baggage space of a
601 XL? |
See what's free at AOL.com.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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This sounds like a great reason for flying around lake Michigan
instead of flying across it in a single engine plane. Oh well, the
Darwin effect works again.
Paul
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At 10:02 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote:
| Quote: | With a life jacket and strobe, they might at least have found his
body. If they had found him withiin the first hour, he might have
even survived. He went down in late april, at that time of year, that
lake is COLD. It never gets very warm that far off shore. If you go
down in Lake Michigan any time of year, you'd better have a life raft
or imersion suit or you won't survive very long.
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Tim Juhl
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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Bryan - I couldn't get the link to work so I don't know if that was the case or not. We watched a video on the accident and used it as a topic of discussion at the Flight Instructor Refresher Course I attended this past January in Grand Rapids so my recollection may not be perfect.
Regarding flying over the Great Lakes. I've been a SCUBA diver longer than I've been a pilot (42 years). I've spent many years searching for and then documenting and videoing shipwrecks in Great Lakes waters so I know something about cold water temperatures and their effects on the human body. I also have an extensive background in Search and Rescue courtesy of the CAP. Bryan, you are absolutely correct in your comments and anyone planning to fly over the Great Lakes would do well to bear them in mind.
Everyone is different but as for myself I avoid flying over all but short expanses of open water when the water temperature is too cold for survival for more than a few minutes. When I do go across I make sure I can communicate my position easily with ATC (radar coverage preferably) and carry flotation and signaling devices. I'll actually wear an airline type life jacket on such crossings because I don't want to have to try to struggle into one while trying to ditch. When possible I carry plenty of altitude and cross where the lake is narrow.
Pilots in lower Michigan are surrounded on three sides by water so we learn to contend with overwater flying early in our careers. Like all flying, it requires preparation, training and good judgement. The number of aircraft on the bottom of the lakes is testimony to what can happen if you fail on any of those accounts.
Tim
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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I couldn't get the link to work either after posting it. The NTSB
accident number I was referring to is CHI05FA180. Do a search on that
in the NTSB database. I remember hearing about that accident and
thought at the time that the cold water probably did him in. I think
this is the same accident. It's the only one that comes up when you
search on Lake Michigan and Piper.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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Thanks for the response, Brian. I like the background art on your Website. Why didn't I think of that for my www.flyinflorida.com?
Also thanks to Tim for the concept of the air bubble opening the canopy for you when below the surface. Hadn't pictured it that way, but I can see it. For all of you commenting about Lake Michigan... I've done my time at the Indiana Dunes. I'm happy to report that if the water temperature gets below 72 degrees around here we just head further south!
West Marine's biggest store (and boatyard) is just down US 1 from the Marathon Airport. I have to go look in the "aviation" isle.
One person responding on the thread suggested wearing an "airline type" life vest. The "suspenders" inflated by CO2 are what we wear. (Technically: Type V acting as Type II PFD) Interestingly, only people of smaller stature seem to have a problem with them in the 601 because they bunch around the neck of someone not very big from neck to waist. Bigger folks have no problem.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Frank Derfler N183AM AMD-Made 601XL with 100 hours in six months and I love it.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL? |
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If your plane ends up upside down the bubble goes up into the plane and I
think a good foot put against the dome will open it... Remember to take off
your harness first.
If your plane lands and somehow ends up right side up then opening the
canopy won't be a problem.
I think that you would be better off with the protection of having the
canopy latched when hitting the water. Ditching in a bog or forest is
another quintal of fish!
Noel
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From: "Frank Derfler" <fderfler(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Canopy + Cargo Net for 601XL?
I'm flying an AMD-made 601XL out of Marathon in the Florida
Keys, I fly over
water 90% of the time. . My worry about getting out if I'm
nose-down in the
drink is real. Yes, there is a "fire axe" by my left knee,
but my primary
emergency drill is open the canopy, prop it open with my hard cover
kneeboard, and hope the deceleration swings it forward off
the airplane when
I make my perfect water landing.
I have flown with the canopy unlocked and can testify that it
raises up an
inch or two, makes a hell of a roar, but doesn't do anything else bad.
I have tried a taxi test (holding on to the handle) and I
think that the
canopy will fly forward with hard deceleration.
I TRY to keep the baggage compartment pretty clean, but still
it often has
hard objects in it. (Have you seen the "Myth Busters"
"Killer Tissue Box"
episode?) .
So, thinking about keeping my head under rapid deceleration,
has anyone
developed a "best way" to install a cargo net in the baggage
space of a
601XL?
Sources of the net? Pictures?
Frank Derfler N183AM AMD-made 601XL (and yes, I love it
and would buy it
all over again... although I'd put another Dynon screen on
the right side)
See my information for pilots at www.flyinflorida.com
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