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 Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: PAPSP - Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program (Was |
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Quoting Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>:
| Quote: | Glen, I began a thread on the RV-10 list some while back on the same
topic only aimed particularly (at) RV-10's. I got a response from about 25
listers who indicated interest in the idea/concept. I had planned to
model it after the Bonanza Pilot proficiency programs. I'll attach a
couple of messages to this e-mail that contain the gist of the program.
I've held off on pushing/developing this as I'm trying to finish my
RV-10 this year, and developing the program is a BIG time consumer. I
had several offers from the RV community of very qualified people that
were/are interested in participating in particular phases of developing
the program.My intent was/is to pick this back up towards the end of the
year when the -1o is flying, If there is enough interest in developing a
program for the larger RV community perhaps the effort could be
transitioned.
Your comment about preaching to the choir has some merit to it. However,
I don't believe that's a reason not to proceed. Additionally , My friend
Rick Sked and his partner are attempting to form Aircraft Mutual
http://www.aircraftmutual.com/ with the aim of taking the risk
management/ property insurance issue away from the insurance carriers
and into the hands of the RV pilots/owners. Rick would be whole
heartedly in support of such a program.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Some prior e-mails on subject follow
I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on
700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot &
Aircraft Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of
the certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that
Bonanza's/Barons do) so there are models out there that can be
adopted/examined. With the strength of the building community evidenced
on this list, and some prior posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins.
Why couldn't we combine those objectives? Loosely speaking the idea
would be to periodically (annually initially?) meet at a fly-in (what
about Doug Reeves Land Of Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and
comeraderie. there could be a pilot skills clinic established to talk
specifically to -10 issues, as well as an aircraft safety/performance
clinic (might even couple it with a formation flying clinic) . The
clinics could be classroom based, cockpit/airframe based, or both. A
ciriculum/s would have to be developed, guidelines established,
volunteerism would have to be significant, but the benefits in
Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements could be
enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor of
insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of
Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building
process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of
another project to satisfy the 'need')
Anyway just an idea,
Anybody listening?
Deems Davis # 406 /
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f I'm taking up too much bandwidth with this let me know, But I felt
the need to get something short concise and written that would serve to
guide efforts as we go down this path. Some call these Mission
statements, I took a crack at drafting an Objective statement the
intent is the same. If this program is built to meet/suit the needs of
the RV10 community, the communities feedback and input in crafting this
is essential. Please review and critique it, rip it apart, modify it,
and improve it in any way you think will add value or clarify what we
are attempting to do, I'm pretty thick skinned and won't take offense at
any input. I'll digest everything I receive and publish an update when
the input dries up. If we have conflicting input we'll put it back to
the group for a tie breaker. I want to make it clear that I'm not trying
to take ownership of this or to stake out any turf, I'm probably the
least qualified person to tackle something like this, based upon
information that I've seen/received from several, there are many who
have impressive credentials in the area of aviation and safety arena and
are more qualified. So the floor is open for nominations.
I included a VERY high level outline of how we might go about some of
the next steps. Please note there are no time frames on anything at
this point (contradicts my background, but suits my present reality,
which is to make it Fun and not Work) My expectation is that building
this could take months/years. If we can get a community consensus on
Objective, Program Components/Elements and Priorities, we can break
the development and implementation into incremental steps.
Thanks for the interest expressed thus far and any suggestions going forward
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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/To all who've responded to this thread so far:
Thank you for your responses. As Patrick, John and others have pointed
out, accomplishing something like this is NOT a minor undertaking. I
don't doubt for a moment, the amount of work that would be required to
put something like this together, with 40% (+/- 90%) more to go on my
own project, I'm also not misleading myself into thinking this is
something I could/would do alone or in my own spare time. However, I am
willing to put some of the evening time that I spend (along with others
time) browsing the boards/lists/websites into developing something that
could be of significant value to our community. There is enough
anecdotal evidence so far to suggest that the REAL value is there. As
Patrick pointed out the biggest value, is a fleet of safety conscious
pilots and aircraft. And while this is _First and Foremost_ a Safety and
Proficiency idea, It doesn't rule out having some fun and enjoyment. It
also doesn't have to be built and implemented in a way that requires us
to build and eat the whole elephant at once, perhaps a phased approach
is possible?
In order for this idea/concept to work, it will have to have a LOT of
support from the RV-10 community, as it would be entirely voluntary,
there are no compulsory 'enforcement' actions that can be taken other
than to withhold some type of certification. It would also require
availability and commitment of some particular skills (CFI/CFII), that I
for one don't have. (may encourage me to get another rating!  ) So
with all of that said, the 1st item is to determine what , how much of
an interest there is in a program like this, its easy to respond to an
e-mail, and although I've received 10 + positive responses to the idea,
that's not yet enough (1.5%) in my opinion to make a GO commitment.
However it is encouraging enough to continue with the step of
determining what kind of an interest there might be in such an event.
Apart from this mail list, does anyone else have any additional ideas on
how to survey the RV-10 group? I see that Rick S. and Bob K. have
received. (If I can figure out how to do it I might put up a survey page
on my web site, for those bashful folks who aren't as vocal on the mail
list)
IF, (big IF) there is enough interest, I'm thinking the next step would
be to form an advisory group that would help to specify the mission,
establish the scope, set priorities, outline a curriculum, establish
governance, etc. Some of you have indicated an willingness.desire to
contribute, I'll assemble a list of potential contributors and the skill
set/expertise that may be available. If you don't want to respond
on-line send me a not offline to register your interest.
One of the suggestions was to broaden the concept to the whole RV
community. My prior life experience taught me that as the
size/complexity of the effort increases, the risk of failure increases
exponentially. So I'm inclined to focus on this group (RV-10) for
starters. If we can make a go of it, then it could be exported to a
wider community.
Please keep the suggestions/alternatives/input coming I have learned
that the electronic/distributed community is indeed a synergistic
organism and there is much more knowledge and expertise out here than I
could ever hope to acquire in my lifetime.
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Yes is a good Idea, not new, it is called self Insured, or something
similar no?
I think, that one way would be, that an Organization like, the
EAA, COULD MANAGE THE PROGRAM FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN SUCH.
I WOULD SAY AOPA, BUT, THEY HAVE SOME MANY THINGS TO DO, BESIDES
THEIR PAYINBG ADVERTISING, COMES FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES ETC..
BUT MAYBE NOT... CERTAINLY, AOPA, IS PERHAPS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION THAT
GET RESULTS, FOR OUR BENEFIT, EAA, DOES NOT HAVE THE CLOUT...
I WILL BET THAT IF THIS IDEA MATERIALIZED....SOME DAY... MOST
INSURERS, WILL COME WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR AT A VERY LOW COST..
NOW THEY SAY, IMPOSSIBLE, WE ARE GIVEN THIS AWAY... IS ALWYAS THE SAME
BERT
RV6A
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