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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Mike

Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn through the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical problem (the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some gory photos of the damage.



Happy flying



Willie Harrison (G-BZNY)





On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote:

[quote]  Hi Guys,

  

 For all Europa owners with Rotax 914.

  

 Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have a good look around.  I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder exhaust pipe.  The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil cooler to the oil pump.  Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and the pipe was just starting to be affected.

  

 On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the bend must have eased during  use.

  

 Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe after the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem.

  

 Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected.

  

 But I thought all you chaps might like to know.  It is worth a quick look - a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous.

  

 Kind regards,

  

 Mike Parkin  (G-JULZ)

  

  

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m.j.gregory(at)talk21.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

This is one of the ‘gory photos’ Willie referred to, taken of the hose damage on an MCR-01 Banbi fitted with a 912.  

   

Mike  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Harrison

 Sent: 09 April 2007 13:57

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.  

  

   

Mike    

   

    

Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn through the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical problem (the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some gory photos of the damage.  

    

   

    

Happy flying  

    

   

    

Willie Harrison (G-BZNY)  

    

       

On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote:  

  

       

Hi Guys,  

    

For all Europa owners with Rotax 914.  

    

Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have a good look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil cooler to the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and the pipe was just starting to be affected.  

    

On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the bend must have eased during use.  

    

Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe after the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem.  

    

Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected.  

    

But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick look - a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous.  

    

Kind regards,  

    

Mike Parkin (G-JULZ)  

    

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hutch(at)hangarbout.fsnet
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this  design disaster??

  

 Brian  Hutchinson

  

  

  

Mike  

 

  

Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but  different problem found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant  pipes was found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to  the heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn through  the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a  previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra  reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same  hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical  problem (the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an  expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike  Gregory has some gory photos of the  damage.

  

 

  

Happy flying

  

 

  

Willie  Harrison (G-BZNY)

  

    

On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin  wrote:

 

    

Hi  Guys,

  

For all Europa owners with Rotax  914.

  

Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72  and took the opportunity to have a good look around. I found one of the oil  pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one  that connects the oil cooler to the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the  pipe I fitted some heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was  burned through and the pipe was just starting to be  affected.

  

On initial installation the pipe did  not touch the exhaust, so the bend must have eased during  use.

  

Looking at the installation, it  seems that a slightly shorter pipe after the bend where it connects to the oil  pump should solve the problem.

  

Hopefully, this is a one off and my  aircraft is the only one affected.

  

But I thought all you chaps might  like to know. It is worth a quick look - a burst oil pipe in this position could  be very dangerous.

  

Kind  regards,

  

Mike Parkin  (G-JULZ)

  

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Ivor Phillips

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Location: London UK

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Use silicone Hose instead of rubber  with suitable heat reflecting sleeve like   http://www.agriemach.com/product_info.php?cPath=0_7&products_id=393  

And using slightly longer pieces of hose you can route them further away from the heat source,  

But Regular check of hose condition is recommended,  

   

Regards  

Ivor  

     

Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.  

  

   

   

So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster??  

   

Brian Hutchinson  

   

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paul.mcallister

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 177
Location: Waukesha, WI USA

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Hi,

  

 If you  take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under  January 2004 you can see  a few pictures of what I did.  I re routed  one of the oil hoses to run on the port side of the motor, across the back of  the engine mount and up into the oil container.  I used Teflon braided  Aeroquip 666 hose.

  

 So far  this has held up fine for 600 hours.

  

 Paul

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Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Brian Hutchinson a écrit :

 	  Quote: 	
		  

  So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster??

  


	




Routing hoses is an art more than an science.

But achieving a satisfactory result is not so difficult with a little care.



Regards,

Gilles

http://contrails.free.fr

ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Not to mention the bubble-wrap and masking tape  "insulation", nylon tie, other cable conflicts and gobs of red insulating  tape (also heat stressed and burnt at the edges).

  

 The "cowboy" standard of  construction obviously leaves a lot to be desired; but maybe it was  "....... all the Inspector's fault....." (if there was one)!

  

 Duncan McF.

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M.Grass(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Paul,

  

 I just tried to access your website but can't  get to it. I hope you are not shutting it down for good. It is a great resource  for other builders like me.

  

 Actually I was looking for the information on how  much Redux you have used for closing one wing. I am finally getting there after  concentrating more on the fuselage before. (I built out of sequence.) I  have about a 1/2 can of the yellow paste left. Originally I thought to  substitute with the stuff from Aeropoxy but after the recent postings I do not  want to mess with the wine skin anymore. I suspect a lot of flexing and  sheering forces on the wings.

  

 Regards

  

 Michael Grass

 A266 Trigear 914 Woodcomp 3/3000

 Detroit 

  

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paul.mcallister

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 177
Location: Waukesha, WI USA

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Michael,

  

 The  server fro my WEB site resides in Australia.  I'll check with the guys on  Monday if its still not up.  As far as your question goes I'd have to troll  through my hard copy but I seem to recall about 1/4 of a tin per wing,maybe a  little more. 

  

 One  trap I found was that the flox dries out the mix when you let it stand, so don't  get too carried away with how much flox you add.  I applied mine with an  empty calking compound tube & gun which was 10 times easier than hand  spreading the stuff.

  

 I  don't want to lead you astray but I would have no problem in using post dated  stuff because the two compounds are chemically inert until mixed, I invite you  to do you own research on this.

  

 Paul

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keithhickling(at)clear.ne
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.

Michael,

 I used about a third of a tin per wing. Both wings  done out of 1 tin, with a significant amount left over (1/4 to 1/3 tin  left).

  

 Regards,

 Keith Hickling,

 New Zealand.

  

  

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