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dcr(at)fdltownhomes.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: Looking for advice--final update

Guys:  Re the looking for advice on the FSDO dude inspecting my -9A.  Pre-inspection on last Wednesday  caused heartburn as the inspector had serious doubts about certified engine with Van’s experimental prop by Sensenich, non-TSO equipment bolted to engine, wanting A&P to sign off prop install, do complete AD review on engine and sign off as completed, experimental sign embroidered on upholstery on baggage compartment bulkhead and not immediately by each entrance, and finally a 25 mile radius Phase 1 test area.  Oh, and to make the situation more simple I could make the certified engine experimental by removing and destroying the ID plate in front of the inspector.   After reading the emails giving good advice and talking to EAA AB DAR instructor, my local technical representative and my A&P buddy, I was ready for the final inspection this Monday morning at 0900.  I had FAA manuals, documentation, and EAA training materials all ready to refute each and every item I thought the inspector was incorrect on.  Damn, he walked in this morning and said in one breath, “the engine is ok, the embroidered experimental is ok, and you can have the 100NM radius you requested, lets finish the paperwork and get you flying”.  I still don’t know what happened.  I just want to say thanks to you guys and the EAA for the support.  I learned more stuff than I wanted to know about amateur built airworthiness that I ever wanted to know.  For instance, did you know you don’t need and ELT while in Phase 1 testing?  Lots of neat info in them there manuals.  Thanks, Dan  

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: Looking for advice--final update

Dan,

  

 One may not need an  ELT during Phase 1 testing, but for the life of me, I can imagine why  I wouldn't want one....especially during testing and the known high risks  associated the first few flights and specifically, the first two.  That's  how regs work---they tell us what we have to have, but not what we should  have.

  

 Chuck Jensen 

  

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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: Looking for advice--final update

Someone must have got to him.  Good thing, and good luck Dan  

Tim  

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Ross

 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:03 PM

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Guys:  Re the looking for advice on the FSDO dude inspecting my -9A.  Pre-inspection on last Wednesday  caused heartburn as the inspector had serious doubts about certified engine with Van’s experimental prop by Sensenich, non-TSO equipment bolted to engine, wanting A&P to sign off prop install, do complete AD review on engine and sign off as completed, experimental sign embroidered on upholstery on baggage compartment bulkhead and not immediately by each entrance, and finally a 25 mile radius Phase 1 test area.  Oh, and to make the situation more simple I could make the certified engine experimental by removing and destroying the ID plate in front of the inspector.   After reading the emails giving good advice and talking to EAA AB DAR instructor, my local technical representative and my A&P buddy, I was ready for the final inspection this Monday morning at 0900.  I had FAA manuals, documentation, and EAA training materials all ready to refute each and every item I thought the inspector was incorrect on.  Damn, he walked in this morning and said in one breath, “the engine is ok, the embroidered experimental is ok, and you can have the 100NM radius you requested, lets finish the paperwork and get you flying”.  I still don’t know what happened.  I just want to say thanks to you guys and the EAA for the support.  I learned more stuff than I wanted to know about amateur built airworthiness that I ever wanted to know.  For instance, did you know you don’t need and ELT while in Phase 1 testing?  Lots of neat info in them there manuals.  Thanks, Dan   	  Quote: 	
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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: Looking for advice--final update

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Ross

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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: Looking for advice--final update

There are FAA guys building RVs.  Maybe one of them read about this  

event, tracked down the FAA inspector, and gave him a quick  

education.  Or, maybe he finally realized that he was in an area that  

was outside his expertise, and did some digging by himself.



Kevin Horton

do not archive



On 24 Apr 2007, at 09:07, Tim Bryan wrote:



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 From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- 

 server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Ross

 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:03 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Looking for advice--final update



 Guys:  Re the looking for advice on the FSDO dude inspecting my  

 -9A.  Pre-inspection on last Wednesday  caused heartburn as the  

 inspector had serious doubts about certified engine with Van’s  

 experimental prop by Sensenich, non-TSO equipment bolted to engine,  

 wanting A&P to sign off prop install, do complete AD review on  

 engine and sign off as completed, experimental sign embroidered on  

 upholstery on baggage compartment bulkhead and not immediately by  

 each entrance, and finally a 25 mile radius Phase 1 test area.  Oh,  

 and to make the situation more simple I could make the certified  

 engine experimental by removing and destroying the ID plate in  

 front of the inspector.   After reading the emails giving good  

 advice and talking to EAA AB DAR instructor, my local technical  

 representative and my A&P buddy, I was ready for the final  

 inspection this Monday morning at 0900.  I had FAA manuals,  

 documentation, and EAA training materials all ready to refute each  

 and every item I thought the inspector was incorrect on.  Damn, he  

 walked in this morning and said in one breath, “the engine is ok,  

 the embroidered experimental is ok, and you can have the 100NM  

 radius you requested, lets finish the paperwork and get you  

 flying”.  I still don’t know what happened.  I just want to say  

 thanks to you guys and the EAA for the support.  I learned more  

 stuff than I wanted to know about amateur built airworthiness that  

 I ever wanted to know.  For instance, did you know you don’t need  

 and ELT while in Phase 1 testing?  Lots of neat info in them there  

 manuals.  Thanks, Dan

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