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imfairings(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at rknox(at)alltel.net



He received from me a large order in February for fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to him about how he is going to pay me. 



If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or give me a call.



Thanks

--

Sincerely,

Bob Snedaker

Fairings-Etc

PO Box 5488

Goodyear, AZ 85338

623 203 9795

bob(at)fairings-etc.com

lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
Guest

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Good Luck...!



He bought a rivet gun from me on VAF a few months back

and stated to me the check was in the mail. Well...

the check never came. I was just glad I had a gut

feeling about this guy and hadn't shipped it yet.



Darrell

--- Bob Snedaker <imfairings(at)cox.net> wrote:



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 <imfairings(at)cox.net>

 

 I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have

 his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His

 phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at

 rknox(at)alltel.net

 

 He received from me a large order in February for

 fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't

 returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to

 him about how he is going to pay me. 

 

 If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or

 give me a call.

 

 Thanks

 --

 Sincerely,

 Bob Snedaker

 Fairings-Etc

 PO Box 5488

 Goodyear, AZ 85338

 623 203 9795

 bob(at)fairings-etc.com

 



 browse

 Subscriptions page,

 FAQ,



 Web Forums!



 

 

 

 


	




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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

He frequents the VAF WWW forums.  You might try posting a message in  

the General Discussion section over there.



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f 



Kevin

On 28 Apr 2007, at 14:54, Darrell Reiley wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com>



 Good Luck...!



 He bought a rivet gun from me on VAF a few months back

 and stated to me the check was in the mail. Well...

 the check never came. I was just glad I had a gut

 feeling about this guy and hadn't shipped it yet.



 Darrell

 --- Bob Snedaker <imfairings(at)cox.net> wrote:



> 

> <imfairings(at)cox.net>

>

> I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have

> his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His

> phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at

> rknox(at)alltel.net

>

> He received from me a large order in February for

> fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't

> returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to

> him about how he is going to pay me.

>

> If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or

> give me a call.

>

> Thanks

> --

> Sincerely,

> Bob Snedaker

> Fairings-Etc

> PO Box 5488

> Goodyear, AZ 85338

> 623 203 9795

> bob(at)fairings-etc.com

> browse

> Subscriptions page,

> FAQ,

>

> Web Forums!

imfairings(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Thanks Kevin...I'll try that.



Bob Snedaker

Fairings-Etc



---- Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 He frequents the VAF WWW forums.  You might try posting a message in  

 the General Discussion section over there.

 

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f 

 

 Kevin

 

 

 On 28 Apr 2007, at 14:54, Darrell Reiley wrote:

 

 > 

 > <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com>

 >

 > Good Luck...!

 >

 > He bought a rivet gun from me on VAF a few months back

 > and stated to me the check was in the mail. Well...

 > the check never came. I was just glad I had a gut

 > feeling about this guy and hadn't shipped it yet.

 >

 > Darrell

 >

 >

 > --- Bob Snedaker <imfairings(at)cox.net> wrote:

 >

 >> 

 >> <imfairings(at)cox.net>

 >>

 >> I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have

 >> his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His

 >> phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at

 >> rknox(at)alltel.net

 >>

 >> He received from me a large order in February for

 >> fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't

 >> returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to

 >> him about how he is going to pay me.

 >>

 >> If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or

 >> give me a call.

 >>

 >> Thanks

 >> --

 >> Sincerely,

 >> Bob Snedaker

 >> Fairings-Etc

 >> PO Box 5488

 >> Goodyear, AZ 85338

 >> 623 203 9795

 >> bob(at)fairings-etc.com

 >>

 >>

 >> browse

 >> Subscriptions page,

 >> FAQ,

 >>

 >> Web Forums!

 >>

 >>

 

 

 

 

 


	


--

Sincerely,

Bob Snedaker

Fairings-Etc

PO Box 5488

Goodyear, AZ 85338

623 203 9795

flyingrv(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Thanks for letting me know your experience with this guy.



Bob Snedaker



---- Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Good Luck...!

 

 He bought a rivet gun from me on VAF a few months back

 and stated to me the check was in the mail. Well...

 the check never came. I was just glad I had a gut

 feeling about this guy and hadn't shipped it yet.

 

 Darrell

 

 

 --- Bob Snedaker <imfairings(at)cox.net> wrote:

 

 > 

 > <imfairings(at)cox.net>

 > 

 > I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have

 > his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His

 > phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at

 > rknox(at)alltel.net

 > 

 > He received from me a large order in February for

 > fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't

 > returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to

 > him about how he is going to pay me. 

 > 

 > If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or

 > give me a call.

 > 

 > Thanks

 > --

 > Sincerely,

 > Bob Snedaker

 > Fairings-Etc

 > PO Box 5488

 > Goodyear, AZ 85338

 > 623 203 9795

 > bob(at)fairings-etc.com

 > 

 >

 > browse

 > Subscriptions page,

 > FAQ,

 >

 > Web Forums!

 >

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 

 

 __________________________________________________

 

 

 

 


	


--

Sincerely,



Bob Snedaker

Fairings-Etc

PO Box 5488

Goodyear, AZ 85338



623 203 9795

Jekyll

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 44

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for Robby Knox

[quote="imfairings(at)cox.net"]I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at rknox(at)alltel.net



He received from me a large order in February for fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to him about how he is going to pay me. 



If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or give me a call.



Thanks

--

Sincerely,

Bob Sxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxx[/quote



BAD FORM!



Putting a person's information on the internet for the whole world is not appropriate. I was thinking about purchasing your product but your lack of concern for protecting personal information instantly changed my mind. As a businessman, you should know of other means for contacting people other that posting their personal information on the Internet. You are free to post your data on the net but, you should never post someone else's data without their permission. 



I don't know Robby, so I can't vouch for his charachter. I don't know if he has defrauded you or if he has a valid reason for what's happened. Doesn't matter though, I won't trust my business to anyone that doesn't safeguard personal information.



Jekyll

Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

This spat is probably best left to direct e-mail. Unless everyone here is

just playing to the crowd.



Do not archive 



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pbesing(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Guess he'll be making his own fairings, then, because Bob's are the best.

   

  Paul Besing

  do not archive



Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" 



This spat is probably best left to direct e-mail. Unless everyone here is

just playing to the crowd.



Do not archive 



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bobbyhester(at)charter.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Oh well, your loss, I'm sure Bob will not miss your business. Bob is a 

pleasure to do business with. He will send you your order and then 

collect payment after, very trustworthy. Bob would not have posted this 

if there was any chance that Robby was going to send him the money that 

he should have. It is obvious that he is someone to avoid by the other 

responce from someone else that never received payment that was suppose 

to be in the mail. I agree with making this kind of info avaiable for 

all to see. If someone is not paying for items he's buying thru the 

internet, this might just help someone else from getting ripped off by 

him, This is his problem not Bob's. Thanks for letting everybody know Bob.



Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY

Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm

Jekyll wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



[quote="imfairings(at)cox.net"]I'm looking for Robby Knox from Ricon, GA.  I have his address as 107 Paddleford Drive in Rincon.  His phone number as 912-429-5761, his email at rknox(at)alltel.net



He received from me a large order in February for fairings for an -8 and a -10.  The fairings weren't returned nor were the invoices.  I need to talk to him about how he is going to pay me. 



If you know him tell him to shoot me an email or give me a call.



Thanks

--

Sincerely,

Bob Sxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxx[/quote



BAD FORM!



Putting a person's information on the internet for the whole world is not appropriate. I was thinking about purchasing your product but your lack of concern for protecting personal information instantly changed my mind. As a businessman, you should know of other means for contacting people other that posting their personal information on the Internet. You are free to post your data on the net but, you should never post someone else's data without their permission. 



I don't know Robby, so I can't vouch for his charachter. I don't know if he has defrauded you or if he has a valid reason for what's happened. Doesn't matter though, I won't trust my business to anyone that doesn't safeguard personal information.



Jekyll





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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Get real, Name address and phone number are public information, have you

ever seen a phone book? Email addresses are even less personal. 

Bob is an outstanding person to work with and to post something contrary

is ridiculous, especially in reference to public information. In this

day and age, we can find out anything about anyone, and in mere minutes.

Bob did not violate anyone's trust. Now, if he had posted credit card

information or SSN numbers, then I would say your comments are

justified, but by posting information that is available in a phone book

there is nothing lost.

Dan

N289DT



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Jekyll

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 44

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for Robby Knox

Nowhere did I mention identity theft. I talked about personal security. 



-Many people spend extra money for unlisted phone numbers.

-You can have your name and number put in a phone book without the address.

-Many people use a post office box so others can't get their street address.

-Government agencies won't give out personal information.

-Passwords with vendors to protect account information with services, utilities and insurance carriers.

-Not putting your name on your mail box.

-Not connecting your name and address to your email address except with trusted parties.



These are a few of the many methods people take to protect their personal information to help ensure their personal safety.



About 10 years ago a promising young actress was brutally murdered by a stalker who got her address from the California DMV. 



I have had to move to a new state and keep my address and telephone number secret to avoid a credible death threat resulting from a divorce from a troubled woman. I couldn't give my children my address or phone number for 4 years.



My current fiancé fled from an abusive husband that threatened her life before I met her. He threatened me also once we started seeing each other. We were forced to keep our information from him. 



Readily available data makes it easier to commit crimes of passion. Someone that needs to work hard to get the data may loose the passion needed to follow through. This is the same concept underlying waiting periods for firearms purchases.



People looking for targets to rob or to otherwise victimize, will not work any harder than necessary. It's like the old yarn about 2 hikers who encounter an angry bear: you don't need to outrun the bear, just be faster than the other guy.



You don't know me and I chose to keep it that way but, everyone I correspond with off-line, from all RV forums, gets my name, address and telephone number along with a direct request to keep it to private. Posting personal information on a public web site is a personal choice that no one should appropriate.



Whether you know it or not, I did Bob a favor with my post. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that I wasn't the only person offended by the way he nonchalantly posted a customer's personal information but, I was the only one that spoke up. He now has the knowledge to correct his processes and notify his potential customer base of a new policy. That action will regain my trust and, I'm sure, that of others.



Customers are important in business but not nearly as important as the far greater number of people that ARE NOT YET your customers. For they are where your future lies. Bob may have sold several hundred sets of fairings (I don't know) but his future is with the tens of thousands of RV and other type builders that haven't yet become customers.



Posts from people looking for others pop up frequently. Most posters handle the request with appropriate confidentiality without providing the information. All Bob needed to do was submit a post along the lines of "Looking for Robby Knox from Ricon GA. I can't find him at the address or telephone he supplied. Please contact me OFF LINE with any information that might help me". By using his web site contact information, Bob would have provided enough information for the forum population to know it was a legitimate request. He would have gotten the same responses, not compromised Robby's personal security and not offended any future customers.



Now everyone knows Robby is building an RV and they have an address where he is likely building it. Since he has bought fairing, one might assume he has many other expensive parts sitting around for the taking.



Bob Collins: sorry, but I disagree - this is not a private spat. This is a matter of forum etiquette. Bob did something inappropriate in a public forum therefore, the discussion belongs here as an aid to prevent future breaches.



The bottom line: you don't know the specifics of someone's life; therefore have no right to publicly publish their information.



Jekyll

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Jekyll,



The stuff you describe is dark-n-scary, but the posting on Robby Knox looked a lot more like "public shaming" which has a usefulness that is no longer practiced--instead our prisons are full.  If Mr. Knox is guilty of the commercial transgressions that the posting alleges, and if he would like to protect his good name, then he should either pay up or stop the scufflaw behavior--or both.



A secondary purpose of the posting is putting the general public on notice that commercial transactions with Mr. Knox may be a risky business.  This qualifies as a public service.  While such a posting may be at the outer edges of the forum, its not totally out of school since a lot of commercial tranactions and the reputation of many companies are discussed openly, so why are customers, who don't pay up, not an equally fair topic.  If Mr. Knox has a reasonable explanation of why this transaction was not completed successfully and satisfactorily, then we welcome him to speak up and I'm sure that apologies, if appropriate, will be forthcoming in large quantities, no less, though this seems unlikely given the reputation and care of the people making the allegation(s).



So yes, its unfortunate that anyone engages in this behavior, but if he/she does, then public shaming and general warning both seems appropriate.  However, if anyone got a bad deal on a lawnmower, please don't post to this forum.



J.M.P.O (Just My Personal Opinion....is that a new one?)

Chuck Jensen



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Jekyll

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 44

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for Robby Knox

Chuck:



I agree with everything you said. I have NO issues with the public shaming or implied black listing aspects of the post. In this regard, Mr. Knox wrote his own future and should expect the consequences however, inclusion of his physical address and telephone number was not needed for this purpose.



The 2000 Census shows Rincon has a population of 4376 people. I bet there is only 1 Robby Knox and if not, the sub-set of Robby Knox, RV builder, is probably 1.



The Internet is a powereful tool that can be used equally effectively for good and bad. We all need to work to reduce, or eliminate, its uses for bad behavior. We as POSTERS to this forum are a registered group of like-minded RV enthusiast whereas the READERS are not.



Jekyll

Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

//Bob Collins: sorry, but I disagree - this is not a private spat. This is a

matter of forum etiquette. Bob did something inappropriate in a public forum

therefore, the discussion belongs here as an aid to prevent future breaches.



I'll give you that the RV List certainly has its quirks and the ability of

it to engage in long diatribes about global warming -- last week -- or the

role of public shaming -- this week --  is certainly one of them. But, God,

sometimes you just have to wonder if anyone talks about building and flying

RVs on the RV list anymore. 



I would think if someone has "breached etiquette," a simple email to the guy

who runs the forum -- Matt Dralle -- would go a long way toward preventing a

a future breach, if that truly is the concern.  He might even -- depending

on how strongly you feel -- remove the offending messages so that little

bitty future Rvers (well, itty bitty now but soon they'll grow up to be

Internet users too) don't read it and further "damage" done.



In radio, we have a very important rule. If you make a mistake --

pronounciation wise -- , just keep going. Don't stop and correct yourself

because you'll only call attention to the fact you made a mistake, and the

damage will not be lessened, it will be increased. 



If anyone missed the alleged assault on Mr. Knox with the original post,  it

was impossible to miss in the subsequent barrage of follow-up emails. In a

way, trying to fix the damage, only broadened it. 



Ironic, ain't it? (g) 



So.... How 'bout those freakin' RVs eh??



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rtitsworth

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Detroit, Mi

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

"Jekyll" <rcitjh(at)aol.com> said ..."BAD FORM"



Jekyll - see below.  So much for your concept of "personal" information.

Looks pretty "public" to me.   Guess you'll have to take it up with the FAA.

FAA Registry

Name Inquiry Results



ROBERT WILLIAM KNOX JR

Street     107 PADDLEFORD DR 

City         RINCON State GA 

County    EFFINGHAM

Zip Code 31326-4900 

Country   USA 



Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 7/2006 



Certificates

1 of   2

DOI: 4/9/1995 

Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT 



Rating(s):  

PRIVATE PILOT            AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND

T.gummo(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

 	  Quote: 	
		   So.... How 'bout those freakin' RVs eh??



 Do Not Archive


	


Hey down forget about us Rocket types.



Jack's, AKA KABONG, daughter finally after 5 years of flying got her first 

Rocket ride.

She had a ball and is sorry that she didn't ask sooner.



Keep sharing the RV-Rocket experience, 140 different people now have had a 

ride in my plane.

50 or so "Gray Eagles" or members of my EAA chapter

50 or so Young Eagles

20 or so members of my family

and

20 or so people who just showed up and asked for a ride.  



Stop by APV, Apple Valley, CA and say hello.  There may be a Rocket ride in 

it for you.



Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II

Flying 309 hours, 1500 landings, millions of smiles.



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deruiteraircraftservices(
Guest

Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Publishing details like ones posted would be enough for me not to do 

business with Jekyll.



What guarantees me that he won't part as esaily with my personal details to 

somewhat less genuine people of which there are plenty about.



If I see the amount of scam emails I receive on this email address, it can 

ve safely assumed that Mr Knox details are already in possesion of people 

who shouldn't have them.



A request for someone to get in touch without the disclosure of personal 

details would have been most appropriate. I'm in aircraft repair business, 

and it would take a court order for me to make any disclosure of sensetive 

information of my customers however good or bad they may be. For none 

payment there's a court system, you work with the last known address, if 

it's no longer accurate then it will only add to the cost for the non paying 

customer.



do not archive.

Jekyll

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 44

Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Looking for Robby Knox

 	  deruiteraircraftservices( wrote: 	
		  Publishing details like ones posted would be enough for me not to do business with Jekyll... 	




Woah there, Jekyll did not provide any information. I spoke up about it being posted by others! 



Jekyll

jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Maybe no one talks about building RV's anymore because they all "assemble"

pre-drilled, pre-holes ... quick build ...ready made etc.etc... flat pack

RV's....    ... and need something else to talk about ....  ...



Jan

Snail speed building a RV6 ...from almost scratch ...



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HCRV6(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: Looking for Robby Knox

Excellent observation Jan!



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RV-6 N16CX, 338 hours 



 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From: jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk>

[quote] 

 

 Maybe no one talks about building RV's anymore because they all "assemble"

 pre-drilled, pre-holes ... quick build ...ready made etc.etc... flat pack

 RV's....    ... and need something else to talk about ....  ...

 

 Jan

 Snail speed building a RV6 ...from almost scratch ...

 

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