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john(at)leptron.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: Crossing the grand canyon at Bar Ten

I hope I have not clogged up the mail for you guys. Looking at the photo

with the wheel in it I was at 11200 at that point. This was a easy glide to

bar ten or tuweep.



John Oakley

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Bob

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Crossing the grand canyon at Bar Ten

Yous guys wit da flyin aeroplanes are killing me!



Nice shots - I like it as long as the moderators aren't concerned about the memory used.



Bob

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wingnut

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Crossing the grand canyon at Bar Ten

Awsome Pics. I can see why you want to have some altitude going over it. I can't imagine surviving a dead stick landing inside of it. Out of curiosity though, what is the minimum altitude over the canyon? Is there any place where one can fly safley under the rim? It would be risky but how many pilots can claim to have flown below sea level? 



BTW: Maybe it would make more sense to post the pictures on some other add supported web site like myspace and then just link frome here. That would allow us to post all the pictures we want without impacting the form.

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Guy Buchanan

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Crossing the grand canyon at Bar Ten

At 01:46 AM 6/1/2007, you wrote:

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		  I hope I have not clogged up the mail for you guys. Looking at the photo

with the wheel in it I was at 11200 at that point. This was a easy glide to

bar ten or tuweep.


	


         I flew it in a Bonanza with the family, and since it glides 

like a rock I can tell you my sphincter was in a knot the whole time. 

Very forbidding terrain.

         By the way, love your paint job.





Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



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john(at)leptron.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Crossing the grand canyon at Bar Ten

Guy,

I believe the bar ten is the best place to cross, but... my demure is always

frazzled when I get to the other side. It is almost certain death to not

make the other side.



John Oakley



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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: Crossing the grand canyon at Bar Ten

Luis sez:



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		  ...Out of curiosity though, what is the minimum altitude over the 

canyon? Is there any place where one can fly safley under the rim?


	


The short answer to your question is, not any more.  Since September 

22, 1988 flight over the Grand Canyon is governed by the FAA's 

Special Federal Aviation Regulation (SFAR) 50-2, "Special Flight 

Rules in the Vicinity of the Grand Canyon National Park, AZ."  The 

SFAR prescribes minimum crossing altitudes, communications 

requirements (it's a busy place as you can imagine) and a number of 

corridors for use by non-commercial sight-seeing flights.



Flights below 14,500' are required to follow a number of rules.  You 

must have a copy of the Grand Canyon VFR Aeronautical Chart aboard 

and you must observe minimum altitudes within the corridors (11,500 

or 13,500 for northbound crossings and 10,500 or 12,500 for 

southbound crossings--remember that the south rim elevation is over 

6000' and the north is over 7000').  To operate below 14,500' you can 

use the Zuni Point and Dragon corridors on the east end of the canyon 

airspace or the Fossil Canyon and Tuckup corridors to the west. 

There are also a number of flight-free zones you should be careful of.



Flying over the Grand Canyon is a spectacular experience and worth 

the hassle of complying with the special airspace rules.  I have to 

agree with others, though, that a successful forced landing inside 

the canyon is very unlikely.



You can read the entire text of the requirements at 

<http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgFAR.nsf/0/DD9C9F385188169E86256C7800586329?OpenDocument>. 

Note, the expiration date shown at the bottom of the page has been 

extended.  



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		  It would be risky but how many pilots can claim to have flown below 

sea level? 


	


I have.  It wasn't risky at all, I just flew to Death Valley, 

California and landed at Furnace Creek airport (L09), elevation -210.



Mike G.

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Phoenix, AZ

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