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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: winglets

OK fellow commanders, what are your thoughts on winglets and whose do you like best? Also, I am planning on attending the fly-in, my folks live in Kerrville so If it doesn't interfere with a Red Raiders game.....

 

 Donnie Rose 

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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: winglets

Donnie,  

   

Commander Aero in Ohio installed winglets on my 680F(p), and nothing increases the Cool Factor, more than winglets (except for the Shrike Nose).  Since the flap gap seals were installed at the same time it is really hard to say what the net effect of the winglets alone would have been.  While the cruse is a little bit better the flap gap seals did increase the take off roll a little bit.  This was not a problem since the 680F(p) has 380 HP per side and the 50 foot wing.  The guys at Commander Aero are really great to deal with, and their craftsmanship is top drawer.  

   

Regards,  

   

Moe Mills  

N680RR  

680F(p)  

   

         

  

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OK fellow commanders, what are your thoughts on winglets and whose do you like best? Also, I am planning on attending the fly-in, my folks live in Kerrville so If it doesn't interfere with a Red Raiders game.....

    

    

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: winglets

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  DR, I WILL CFM ALL MOE HAS SAID ABOUT COMMANDER AERO. THERE WINGLETS ARE  THE ONLY ONES YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. THERE WERE DEVELOPED BY THE ENGINEERS AT THE  AIR FORCE FACILITY THERE  WITH WIND TUNNEL TESTING AND ALL.  YOU  CANNOT GO WRONG PUTTING YOURSELF AND YOUR AIR SHIP IN THE HANDS OF JOHN BOSCH  AND GARY KROMER. MASON  680Fp  2001M

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: winglets

Thank you Mason and Moe. Do either one of you recall the performance and price figures on the winglets?

 

 Donnie Rose 

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gmosh(at)charter.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: winglets

Is there anything available for the  short wing Commanders like my 560 that have been tunnel certified?

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: winglets

In a message dated 03-Jun-07 10:53:56 Pacific Daylight Time, gmosh(at)charter.net writes:

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		  Is there anything available for the short wing Commanders like my 560 that have been tunnel certified? 	


 I will ditto what Moe and Mason have said.

  

 Here is a link to the AeroDyne (Commander-Aero) web site with winglet info.

  

 Take a look here for the answer on what models and the prices:   www.commanderaero.com

  

 Keep in mind that there are bootleg / illegal winglets out there.  

  

 The AeroDyne winglets are STC'd, have had their design wind tunnel tested at Wright-Patterson AFB and are made by a PMA shop in business to build aircraft parts.

  

 I've seen bootleg winglets get taken off in pre-buy inspections when they were found out.  That wasn't happy news for neither the seller nor the buyer.

  

 Various claims will be made about their effect on performance.  I've flown a lot of piston and turbine Commanders with and without.  I do notice better high altitude climb in the turbine Commanders.

  

 The piston models with the winglets have also had flap gap seals, so I can't say which mod is responsible for what.   Among those upgraded piston aircraft, it seems to be all over the map: I've seen zero performance increase and I've seen as much as 8 KIAS increase.  

  

 In my opinion (from experience) a wingleted Commander stalls later but the stall break is much more abrupt.  However, the time you spend in that flight regime is what ... three seconds every two years during your Flight Review?

  

 One thing for sure, depending on whether your Commander has nose mounted lights or Grimes lights, the AeroDyne winglets are worth the money for recognition lights alone (strobes install within the lens as well) regardless of any performance bonus.

  

 Thanks for letting us spend your money!

 

Wing Commander Gordon



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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: winglets

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  dr, px appox $5000. ck web site for performance or call commander aero they  will be glad to help with both.  ps  my 680fp had illegal winglets  when I bot it, and an illegal prop.  not something your normally catch in a  pre buy. mason

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: winglets

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  kg, eloquent as usual. mason

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