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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

I was told I cannot wig wag the HID lights I  purchased from CreativeAir.  True or False???

  

 Dave Leikam

 RV-10 40496

 QB Wings

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wslaughter(at)houston.rr.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

True. HID lights cannot turn on and off quickly.   

   

William Slaughter  

RV-8 Fuselage  

       

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I was told I cannot wig wag the HID lights I purchased from CreativeAir.  True or False???  

    

   

    

Dave Leikam  

    

RV-10 40496  

    

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aadamson(at)highrf.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

CreativAir sells an HID wigwagger, whey don't you ask  them?

  

 Alan



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 I was told I cannot wig wag the HID lights I  purchased from CreativeAir.  True or False???

  

 Dave Leikam

 RV-10 40496

 QB Wings

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aadamson(at)highrf.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

Um, hate to argue, but don't think that is  true...

  

 See - http://www.creativair.com/wigwag-flasher-halogen-lamps-p-89.html

  

 plus I know others who routinely wigwag  HID's.

  

 Alan



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True.  HID lights cannot turn on and off quickly.  

  

William  Slaughter 

RV-8  Fuselage 

    

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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

I did.  Thanks!

  

 Dave Leikam

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aadamson(at)highrf.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

Bizarre Dave... Not trying to poke at you.. Seriously,  they have a device on their website that is used to wig-wag HID's.  I  talked them them numerous times while they were in search for the 2" versions  that they have and they said they were flashable.  I know people who have  used a simple timer circuit to flash them too....

  

 Ah, well as an old boss of mine use to say.... "I guess the  truth changed".

  

 Sorry, done correctly (with a warm up time), they should be  able to be flashed.  Even XeVsion sells a flasher for  theirs.

  

 Alan



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 I did.  Thanks!

  

 Dave Leikam

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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

No problem, I just got bad info from a  friend.  I emailed CreativeAir the same time I posted to this list and got  my answer.  Thanks for all the replies.

  

 Dave

  

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Eric M. Jones

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: wig wag HID lights

Yes, no, yes, no.



I say NO you can't wig-wag HID lamps...but here are the particulars--



The Creativair device wig-wags each lamp 20 times per minute. (This is  almost as slow as the message indicator in my Radio Shack telephone. It flashes once every 10 seconds. Drives me mad...) The important thing is that this is very slow and may not get the intention it deserves in the sky... 



There are technically insoluble problems with wig-wagging arc lamps. The best solution seems to be to never let them go out, so restarting is not required. This is called "flash from simmer". If you flash from cold (completely off), the lifetime of the lamp AND usually the power supply is drastically shortened. 



Still...the flash rate with the Creativair device is so slow maybe this is okay. Measured against the cost of a mid-air, the HID wig-wag would be preferable.



A device which works fine for many applications is a mechanical rotator (Cessnas and cops) or a wig-wagger (locomotives use them).  If I had a single HID lamp in the nose, I would seriously consider it. For a halogen solution, use a high-low automotive sealed beam. Some xenon and HID auto lamps use mechanical movements to "dip" the headlights.



There are now some serious MR-16 LEDs (HUNDREDS of lumens) available on Ebay. I have a sample for playing around and will report on this later. By the end of next year the LED will look like the only choice. 



They wig-wag all you like.



You can always trust the information given to you by people who are crazy; they have an access to truth not available through regular channels.  -- Sheila Ballantyne

_________________
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net

mprather(at)spro.net
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: wig wag HID lights

Hey Eric,



I have wondered about "flash from simmer" on HID's.  Encouraging to hear

that it might be practical.



I also think I might consider one light system for recognition and a

separate system for nighttime ground illumination.  LED/Halogen for

recognition - maybe wide angle for conspicuity and a spot HID for me to

see out.  Run the wide angle lamps in steady mode while taxiing to be able

to see around corners better.

Regards,



Matt-

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 <emjones(at)charter.net>



 Yes, no, yes, no.



 I say NO you can't wig-wag HID lamps...but here are the particulars--



 The Creativair device wig-wags each lamp 20 times per minute. (This is

 almost as slow as the message indicator in my Radio Shack telephone. It

 flashes once every 10 seconds. Drives me mad...) The important thing is

 that this is very slow and may not get the intention it deserves in the

 sky...



 There are technically insoluble problems with wig-wagging arc lamps. The

 best solution seems to be to never let them go out, so restarting is not

 required. This is called "flash from simmer". If you flash from cold

 (completely off), the lifetime of the lamp AND usually the power supply is

 drastically shortened.



 Still...the flash rate with the Creativair device is so slow maybe this is

 okay. Measured against the cost of a mid-air, the HID wig-wag would be

 preferable.



 A device which works fine for many applications is a mechanical rotator

 (Cessnas and cops) or a wig-wagger (locomotives use them).  If I had a

 single HID lamp in the nose, I would seriously consider it. For a halogen

 solution, use a high-low automotive sealed beam. Some xenon and HID auto

 lamps use mechanical movements to "dip" the headlights.



 There are now some serious MR-16 LEDs (HUNDREDS of lumens) available on

 Ebay. I have a sample for playing around and will report on this later. By

 the end of next year the LED will look like the only choice.



 They wig-wag all you like.



 You can always trust the information given to you by people who are crazy;

 they have an access to truth not available through regular channels.  --

 Sheila Ballantyne



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 Eric M. Jones

 www.PerihelionDesign.com

 113 Brentwood Drive

 Southbridge, MA 01550

 (508) 764-2072

 emjones(at)charter.net





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