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bhancock(at)worldwidewarb
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

It is alive!  Skip Holm just delivered the Bear 360 prototype to our 

facility here in Chino.  This plane is an animal!  Performance figures 

on the airplane are staggering....and Skip's real world experience with 

the airplane validates the published test numbers.  210 KTAS cruise at 

75% power, 250 KTAS full power at SL.  Vne is 305 KIAS!!!!!!!!   850 nm 

range.  This is a very exciting aircraft with lots of potential.  Skip 

says the plane flies superbly with nice control harmony.  He's gonna 

check me out in the front seat soon, so I'll be posting my impressions 

shortly.  Plane was engineered to FAR 23....build quality is excellent. 

  You can literally walk out to the end of the wing with no problem.   

Plenty of baggage space and room in the cockpit.



We are working with Skip on the "Human Factors"  of the cockpit, a 

better looking canopy, etc., but once this is straightened out there 

won't be anything that can touch this performance for the 

money.....turn key with a glass cockpit, modern avionics, and show 

paint will be just under $200K!

I'm still learning about the plane myself, but if you have any interest 

in this M14P powered screamer, I can fill you in on what I know.



Also, we are currently working directly with Greg Richter at Blue 

Mountain Avionics to develop an engine pod for our 9 cyl. radials....we 

should have the first unit installed in about 2 months.  I'll keep you 

guys posted.



Cheers,



Barry



Barry Hancock

Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.

7000 Merrill Ave.  B-110, Unit J

Chino, CA 91710

(909) 606-4444 office

(949) 300-5510 cell

www.worldwidewarbirds.com

Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

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HawkerPilot2015

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Or...



http://www1.airpics.com/showimg.php?imgid=116731



I think the airplane is kind of ugly. Plus, another M-14 gone from the hands of a Yak owner. I guess we have to learn to accept the fact that our engine rocks and everyone want one.

drc(at)wscare.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Looks like a baby T28 - scaled down.



Herb

On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:



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 Or...



 http://www1.airpics.com/showimg.php?imgid=116731



 I think the airplane is kind of ugly. Plus, another M-14 gone from  

 the hands of a Yak owner. I guess we have to learn to accept the  

 fact that our engine rocks and everyone want one.





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117037#117037

HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

I helped with the condition inspection on a T-28 today and I see only a slight similarity. Wings, wheels, prop, radial, tail.....



Yeah, for 200K, I would rather have a real -28 too! 



I don't see much of a market for that thing..but we will see.

Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

There are a few differences...  50gph to cruise in an old T-28 versus less than half that (or less?) in the new Bear.  Probably handles a little different doing aerobatics too.  Cool looking airplane but I don't see how it flies with those tiny wings.

Barry Hancock

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 53
Location: Chino, CA

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Guys....those photos are not current.  This is a current photo.  As I mentioned, the canopy needs to be reworked (see sketch)...Skip and I are sitting down this weekend to review design changes.  This is a work in progress and the main point of my email is to let everyone know that the project is not dead.  Still more ground to be covered, but I think the final product will be impressive in all ways.

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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.cj6.com

Barry Hancock

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 53
Location: Chino, CA

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / T-28

No airplane is perfect...but even when comparing the Bear to the T-28 about the only way the T-28 comes out on top from a practical flying standpoint is in horsepower and gross weight.  The Bear is significanly faster in cruise (210 KTAS v. 180 KTAS), burns 1/3 the fuel (15 gph v 45 gph for the afore mentioned numbers), is a NEW airframe....and cost perflight hour is about 1/10th of what a T-28 is.  



Don't get me wrong, I really like the T-28...have about 35 hours PIC in our good friend Walt Fricke's airplane...it's really a CJ on steroids.  But at 90 gph at Take off and 45-50 for 180 KTAS, and big maintenance costs, you can fly an L-39 for about the same money.  



That being said, the cool factor of sitting up high, lighting off that big radial, and pouring the coals to it on take off is hard to match!  



At the end of the day they are all cool airplanes....and enough different shapes and styles for all of us.  My problem is I seem to like 'em all!  LOL! 



Cheers,



Barry

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HawkerPilot2015

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Posts: 503

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Barry,



But the two cost the same and I would be willing to bet you will not see a Bear in 50 years......  



The purpose of kit planes is that you are supposed to a get a ton of airplane for not a lot of money. This does not meet that standard. 



Look at the Thunder Mustang (which is a rockin' airplane!!!), stunning performance, good looks, cheap to operate (relative) and the thing failed to garner many buyers and simply went away. Why? Too much money among other things.



There was a Jurca Spitfire MK.9  at one the DVT fly-in's and I think the guys said he had less a 250K in it. Allison motor and DC-3 prop. The airplane was beautiful. (Spit is my favorite WWII fighter)



Just my opinion....

cpayne(at)joimail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Hmmm, would that happen to be 'ole Blue? The one that has appeared at SNF for 2 years now and sat over at Columbia ramp until a few weeks ago with no canopy cover? If so, I hope that the production version is a lot better finished.



Craig Payne

l39parts(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Barry,



Wasn't this hot new airplane you obviously have a financial interest in the 

same one featured in the June 2001 issue of Air Classics?



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3901/is_200106/ai_n8980576



The F-22 didn't take that long to get into the air.

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		  From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50(at)fuse.net>

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To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Date: Sat,  9 Jun 2007 13:37:23 -0700






Barry,



But the two cost the same and I would be willing to bet you will not see a 

Bear in 50 years......



The purpose of kit planes is that you are supposed to a get a ton of 

airplane for not a lot of money. This does not meet that standard.



Look at the Thunder Mustang (which is a rockin' airplane!!!), stunning 

performance, good looks, cheap to operate (relative) and the thing failed 

to garner many buyers and simply went away. Why? Too much money among other 

things.





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117504#117504






	


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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

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		  I fly a Yak 50 because….. I can’t afford a real war bird! 	




I flew "close" to a T-28 tonight and when we got back on the ground, we talked Yak-50's. I think I may have another convert.

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

They are like Lays Potato chips. "You can't eat just one!" As for the 50, once you've flown one, you can't not fly it again and again!

And, they do not cost anywhere near what is proposed for the Bear 360 or the YAK 52TW. 

Doc

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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

I'm not much into hot air balloons but i love to watch them.  They're kind of silly, tragically expensive and completely impractical but i admire the imagination and guts of the guys and gals who own and fly them.  If they do nothing other than inspire our children then it's worth it and i'm glad someone is doing it.  



Same goes for the Bear 360 or anything else that flies.  Don't care what it is.  Don't care if it takes a lifetime to get right.  If that damn thing flies (and it does) then you've done an amazing thing.  If it doesn't then at least you gave it a shot.   God speed and good luck!

Barry Hancock

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 53
Location: Chino, CA

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

You guys kill me!  LOL!   First, I have no financial stake in the airplane.  Skip Holm and I have become acquainted during the recent filming of "FAST GLASS" (in theaters 2008 - a story for another day  www.afterburnerfilms.com).  Skip was at our facility in Chino picking up one of the L-39's for the movie, and liked what he saw.  He asked if he could keep the Bear at our facility, do the maintenance, etc.  Why not?  



Second, the $200K price I quoted was "turn key" with $20k in avionics and another $15K for show quality paint.  You can do a Bear for about the same price as a new Yak-52TW...and go *80* knots faster for the same fuel burn.  



As for glass panels in warbirds, you'd be surprised at the level of interest in the Yak/CJ crowd....and it keeps growing.  When you consider the bang for the buck you get out of the EFIS units designed for the experimental market, it makes lots of sense.  Some are die hard traditionalists....and that's dandy with me...    



Finally, for anyone that has seen the Bear, you know it is rough in the cockpits...it is a prototype.  I'm sitting down with Skip tomorrow to give him my input on what needs to be done to make it attractive both from a cosmetic and human factors standpoint...beyond that, you're guess is as good as mine.  



I personally would like to see the plane succeed and I'll be the first one to tell you there's some work to be done...I'm just passing along information, so don't kill the messenger.... 



Cheers,



Barry



PS  Two more completely stock CJ's will be coming on line in the next week or two...and I DO have a financial stake in those!

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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.cj6.com

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an 

aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes including 

flight training.  One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is 

considered a "warbird".  But it is, by the generic definition.  Certainly 

the trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were 

never used in a "war" so to speak. Or in combat which of course defines the 

aircraft you included in your list of "warbirds".  But the trainers were/are 

used by the military, including the US.  People are most definitely entitled 

to their own interpretation of the term "warbird".  Only those who own the 

"big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's, 

Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's, typically look down on us lowly 

trainers as not being true "warbirds".    The 11's never saw combat and were 

a 2 seat modification/redesign of the Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced 

trainer/liaison aircraft/utility transport.  Thus the Yak 11 in the purest 

sense of the word "warbird" is not a warbird either.



Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because 

they were used by military organizations as trainers.  And please don't say 

the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF.  In fact, several 

former eastern block countries still have them in their air force and use 

them as primary military trainers.  We all know they are not, again in the 

purest meaning of the word "warbird", a warbird.  It's just a matter of your 

personal viewpoint.  If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of America definition, 

I think you will find the above explanation follows for the most part, the 

WOA definition.

Dennis



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wlannon(at)cablerocket.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Sort of agree with most of that Dennis but you state " certainly the 

trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were never 

used in a war ----- or in combat" . That I must disagree with.



The T6 and Harvard were in combat in numerous wars from Algeria to Korea. 

They were operated by the French in Algeria and the USAF in Korea and by 

many African countries in between.

Surely you have not forgotten the T28 operations in Loas and Vietnam by the 

US. Also used by the French in Algeria.

The Yak 11 was very likely used in combat operations as well - Reportedly 

the first kill by the USAF in Korea was by an F82 - The adversary? a Yak 

11!!

Cheers;

Walt

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

You are correct (again) Walt.  As for the Yak 11, it was not designed as a 

combat aircraft.  More as a 2 seat trainer version of the Yak 3U.  But I 

guess since it was shot down by a jet, that makes it a "warbird".  Oh well!

Dennis



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mark(at)alternativesolar.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird.   I would not want this guy on my six!!!!  

Mark Weidhaas

Yak 52  "36"





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rvfltd(at)televar.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod

Just could not resist this:

Bed Check Charley was a Yak 18, powered by a 5 cly M11FR engine which 

developed 160 hp.  When two N. Korean pilots defected in it it was found 

to have been fitted with "Yak 11 bomb racks".  It now is on display with 

the rest of  the Silver Hill / Smithsonian aircraft.   Check it out.



Am back from another long trip to the Nanchang motherland, bought a full 

20 foot container of parts and pieces.   If any of you are waiting for 

QDF-1 (start sol. valves)  I did manage to bring 6 back with me in my 

baggage.    First come first served.  Additional stock will arrive here 

in about 60 to 90 days with the container.



Always Yakin,

Doug

A. Dennis Savarese wrote:



[quote] 

 <dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com>



 You are correct (again) Walt.  As for the Yak 11, it was not designed 

 as a combat aircraft.  More as a 2 seat trainer version of the Yak 

 3U.  But I guess since it was shot down by a jet, that makes it a 

 "warbird".  Oh well!

 Dennis



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