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ddnebert

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 17

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The instructions for riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be awkward, difficult to buck, even harder to check, and ultimately of questionable quality. Vans recommends the solid rivets for most of the skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets) but suggested that the MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable.  



Does anyone see any harm in using these flush blind rivets on the bottom skins of the RV-10 wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems to me a better quality and easier solution than the bucked rivets.

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

Nah, it ain't that bad.  After riveting a tailcone the wings aren't

too tough.  It's much harder to drill out blind rivets in the

future too.

Tim

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 I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The instructions for riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be awkward, difficult to buck, even harder to check, and ultimately of questionable quality. Vans recommends the solid rivets for most of the skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets) but suggested that the MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable.  

 

 Does anyone see any harm in using these flush blind rivets on the bottom skins of the RV-10 wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems to me a better quality and easier solution than the bucked rivets.

 

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

I finished my bottom skins last week... after living in fear of it  

for a few weeks, found in much easier than I expected.  Took about 10  

hours for the first one and a little under 7 for the 2nd.



Jeff Carpenter

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On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:09 PM, ddnebert wrote:



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 I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The  

 instructions for riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be  

 awkward, difficult to buck, even harder to check, and ultimately of  

 questionable quality. Vans recommends the solid rivets for most of  

 the skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets) but suggested  

 that the MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable.



 Does anyone see any harm in using these flush blind rivets on the  

 bottom skins of the RV-10 wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems  

 to me a better quality and easier solution than the bucked rivets.



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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 336
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets

I riveted the botom wing last monday and its takes a full day but it works. YOu can check the quality of the rivets if you press the finger on the shop head (the one you made) and compare the imprint on your finger with the gauge if you can´t reach in. 

YOu might find yourself in a little arkward position when riveting the rear spar, see picture.



Michael



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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

Agree with Tim.  You can even do it all by yourself if you have long arms 

and can master squeezing the gun with your thumb.

Anh



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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

Yep, I second that.  It sucks sometimes but can be done.  The only help I have had on the entire kit were a couple items that just can't be done by yourself like riveting the tail and fuse, part of the upper deck, and a couple of other spots a guy with ape arms like me just couldn't reach.  I did the wings completely alone.



Michael Sausen

-10 #352 Limbo



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hotwheels

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 240

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

It's not that bad if you have patience and one of those telescoping inspection

mirrors. I ended up with a few oops spots when the bar slipped, but it is the

bottom skin and I'll anyone found loitering there with a crucial eye will get a

swift kick in the butt! I'd keep going and save the $80 for a Bob Archer

antenna.



Jay

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ddnebert

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 17

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets

According to my EAA Tech Counselor:



"Per the FAA and my IA rating, you can only substitute a

CherryMax rivet or equivalent for a solid rivet in -4 and larger size.

Note that they run about $.50 each and have a steel core, so special

corrosion protection is appropriate.  You can also substitute a machine

screw and lock nut.

    In the -3 size I don't of any blind rivets that are "structural"

and readily available."



Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try. 



I could use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I was planning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

Good thing this isn't a certified airplane where that comment would actually apply.    Of course you could use bubblegum and duct tape but it might not get passed your DAR.  Follow Van's recommendations, if they say it's ok it's a safe bet you they won't lead you down the wrong road.



Michael Sausen

-10 #352 Limbo

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

The bottom skins are certainly harder than the top skins, but they are

really not that bad.  If Van's says you are OK with the blind rivets, then I

won't say any different, but the solid rivets aren't that bad, especially if

you have a helper either on the gun or the bar.  It isn't a bad idea to have

some padding around the bar in case you drop it inside there.



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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

You don't need to install the servo at this time, however you may choice to install the brackets,  linkage and run the wire harness (for that matter all the wing wiring.) If you are planning on using a TruTrak AP the brackets are available from them for about $50. Stein Air will also sell the AP wiring harness for just the wing. You'll need to decide which wing you want the servo in before ordering the bracket.

  

 If you look on Tim's site http://www.myrv10.com/ and William's site http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ there are some great pictures of what can go in the wings and how the AP servo fits.

  

 Happy riveting:)

  

 Vern Smith (#324 baggage door)

  

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 From: doug(at)mapcontext.com

 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:02:05 -0700

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 Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try. 

 

 I could use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I was planning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...

 

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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

Hey, let's stop pussy footing around!  This ain't no RV-12.  This ain't no

Bushwhack Special.  This ain't no 1947 Cessna.  This here is a work of art,

a masterpiece, an aluminum Picasso!  Buck it up, Bucko, and put those solid

rivets in there so's we can be proud of you and so's you can one day look

back and say, "Hey, I did that and it weren't so bad after all!"  No crying

in plane building.  Nuff said.  



John J

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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

Just don't do it by yourself.  Beware the dings and dents unless you have help.



Rob wright

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ddnebert

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 17

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets

I'll take that advice. The rivets always turn out nicer with a bucker and a shooter.

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dav1111(at)suddenlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: Bottom wing skin rivets

I would recommend solid rivets for MOST of the bottom wing  skin.  BUT I would also recommend that you have a helper to either rivet or  buck for you.  It makes it a lot easier to do the bottom skin with a  helper.

  

 There will be a number of places on the bottom skin that it is  almost impossible to buck the solid rivets and on those places I put in blind  rivets.

  

 Best regards,

  

 Russ Daves

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