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klr12(at)psu.edu
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Guys, Just started pulling some rivets this weekend. Everything is going smoothly but I did run into one little snag. The plans call for a Stainless A5 rivet in a few places. I be darned, I looked everywhere but cannot come up with a part number or proper designation for this SS rivet. Can anybody tell me what to order?                                                                                                                                                                    &nb!  sp;                     Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                    &nb!  sp;                 Kevin Rupert                                                                                                                                                                    &nb!  sp;                 601/Corvair     [quote][b]

TxDave

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 168
Location: Temple, TX

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Rivets

Hey Kevin,

I called Zenith with this question last year and they sent me a handful of the correct SS rivets for a couple of bucks including shipping.



Dave Clay

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Where do the SS rivets  go? What plan pages?

  

 --  Craig

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

I don't have the plan page numbers handy  but they are used in the elevator horn assembly an dagain to  attach  the brake pedals to the rudder pedals.

  

 Dred

  

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crvsecretary

Joined: 18 Mar 2007
Posts: 38
Location: Naugatuck, CT

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Hello Listers:

  

 I have plans dated 06/03 for the 601XL and on page 6-T-3 I don't see any  reference to SS rivets.

  

 Is this a recent change?

  

 Should I be drilling out rivets rivets this weekend?  (OK, next  weekend - it's Fathers Day today.....)

  

 Thanks everyone !

  

  Tracy  Smith

Naugatuck, CT

601xl N458XL (reserved)

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 In a message dated 6/17/2007 6:32:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  dredmoody(at)cox.net writes:

 [quote]   I don't have the plan page numbers handy    but they are used in the elevator horn assembly an dagain to    attach  the brake pedals to the rudder pedals.

    

   Dred

    

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

DITTO for my plans dated 04/06/04. 6-T-3 dated 06/03 indicates A-5's  for horn attachments, and the Tail Kit Parts List shows only A4's  and A5's included. The Controls Kit however included 20 AS5 rivets  designated for Rudder Pedals, but with the plans calling for 14 AS5 for the SS  Piano Hinge attachments, I have 6 still left.

      Robin in AR

     N601ZV reserved 

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

On my 601XL plans dated 08/2005 I noted the following:

  

 First, on 6T3 the AS5 stainless steel rivets are called for to rivet the  bent strip at the aft of the elevator (6T3- to the upper and lower elevator  horns (6T3-4 and -5)

  

 Second, on 6B9 the AS5 rivets are called for to rivet the toe brake pedal  hinge (6B9-2) to the toe brake pedal to the rudder pedals (6B9-1 and -3)

  

 I'm guessing that somewhere along the line they found loose or lost rivets  in those applications. My advice (which is far from autoritative) is to dril out  and replace those rivets since they remain fairly accessible. A second option  would be to monitor them closely at preflight walk-around.

  

 Happy Fathers' Day

  

 Dred

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lwinger

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 229
Location: Tustin, CA

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Stainless Steel Rivets

For those who don't have the latest revisions, here is a portion of page 6T3 (revision 03/06) showing the bent strip and how you are to install it.

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Jeyoung65(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

I have drawing 6-T-3 dated 08-04 and find no ss rivets. Also  do NOT have 6-T-3-8. I do have a 6-T-3-6 which is "Elevator Horn Doubler" which  use A-5 rivets. Have seen in the past where drawing was changed for the 601-XL  but not the 601-HD and the drawing number was not changed. ( NOT GOOD DRAFTING  RULES). Jerry-GA



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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Hi Ed,



I like your theory about loose rivets, but I have conflicting 

information.  Alas, it is my memory involved in this question so you 

would be foolish to depend on it.



I remember talking to someone at Zenith (Nick?) about the bent strip 

on the elevator.  He said the strip was added to comply with the LSA 

consensus standard and was not really needed.  The impression I got 

was it had just been added to the design.  So, the idea that 

observation of long installed strips led to the AS5 rivets is not 

consistent with my memory of this discussion.  The only alternative I 

can come up with is that the small attach area and calculated load 

placed on the rivets leads to more strength requirement than the 

aluminum A5 rivets can handle.



Best regards,



Paul

XL fuselage



At 07:40 AM 6/17/2007, you wrote:

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		  On my 601XL plans dated 08/2005 I noted the following:



First, on 6T3 the AS5 stainless steel rivets are called for to rivet 

the bent strip at the aft of the elevator (6T3- to the upper and 

lower elevator horns (6T3-4 and -5)



Second, on 6B9 the AS5 rivets are called for to rivet the toe brake 

pedal hinge (6B9-2) to the toe brake pedal to the rudder pedals (6B9-1 and -3)



I'm guessing that somewhere along the line they found loose or lost 

rivets in those applications. My advice (which is far from 

autoritative) is to dril out and replace those rivets since they 

remain fairly accessible. A second option would be to monitor them 

closely at preflight walk-around.



Happy Fathers' Day



Dred

dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Sounds plausible.

  

 Ed

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heatonhe36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Thanks Larry.

I've been wondering how the strip was attached since I saw the rev in the 

drawing updates.  For those who haven't seen the rev, look at .... 

http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/xl-update-3rd-ed-1st-rev-4-05.pdf



Herb

Colorado

601XL/plans 80% done

Subaru EA81 Turbo

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		  From: "lwinger" <larrywinger(at)gmail.com>

Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Rivets

Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:58:48 -0700






For those who don't have the latest revisions, here is a portion of page 

6T3 (revision 03/06) showing the bent strip and how you are to install it.



--------

Larry Winger

Tustin, CA

601XL/Corvair from scratch

Control surfaces and wing spars complete





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118883#118883





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http://forums.matronics.com//files/ss_rivets_656.pdf

601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

My 6-T-3 sheet of 06/03 shows only the 6T3-6 ELEVATOR HORN DOUBLER  riveted with 7 regular A5's - no AS5 rivets and no 6T-8. I've been planning to  get an updated set of plans anyway, and have now moved that to the top of my  To-Do list.

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
Guest

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

The LSA standard is the reason for the update, due to it's use in the

flight training category. Other then that the elevator has remained the

same for the last 20 years. IF you don't count the trim tab. Install the

new strip or not, your choice. However, I didn't remove my elevator to

install it and my plane is the Can-Zac demonstrator.



Mark Townsend

Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.

president(at)can-zacaviation.com

www.can-zacaviation.com 



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601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Thanks! Looks like an easy add-on.



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klr12(at)psu.edu
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

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		  But Guys,

The original question still begs an answer. What are these Rivets? Are they a

Cherry N, CherryMax, Cherry Q, Avdel Avtex? What? Anybody know?    

                                                                               

                                                                               

 Kevin R.                                                                

                                                                               

                   601XL/ Corvair 	
	
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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: Stainless Steel Rivets

Best bet is to call the factory and buy them  there.

  

 Dred

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