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n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

I'm crushed, CRUSHED that Doug considers my "gravity powered lightning hole 

press" method as "noise" on the list.  The bigger point is that nearly every 

builder has these tools (a truck and a hydraulic jack) at their disposal, so 

they can accomplish the task with ZERO additional investment.  Sure it's 

overkill, but you can do it without spending a dime, nor juggling "C" clamps 

AND a vise.  When you are pressing the lightning holes in a 12' wing spar 

web, how handy is that to hold in a bench vise?



I am attaching the pic of my operation for the benefit of the new guys. 

This is again, old hat for the list oldtimers who will cringe at viewing it 

again, I apologize in advance.



The steel dies shown were used as shown, but they can just as easily be used 

in a hydraulic press or other pressing method.



They were made from ZA prints and have been used by several builders so far 

with no problems.



Attn: Ron Culver:



Do you have ALL your parts of the project ready for flanging or how long 

will you need to keep the dies?



They are currently "in the field" on loan to a 701 builder who has finished 

with them and is "waiting instructions" on who to forward them to.



If you are interested, please reply with info.  I loan them out to ZA 

builders on this list for shipping only.  I prefer that they not stay with a 

builder for years, but months is certainly not a problem.



I lent them to a 601 builder who had a problem with one of the dies.  One of 

the holes requiring flanging on a 601 is within a channel, so that 

particular die needs to be altered (edges trimmed) to fit within the 

channel.  If they ever arrive "home", I will do this conversion to work with 

the 601.  As they are now, they do everything required on a 701.



Best Regards,



Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV

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		   I also found that the noise on this forum about the need for hydraulic 

 presses is overkill.  So is using a car to provide the pressure.

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

 	  Quote: 	
		   "gravity powered lightning hole press"


	


Sorry, I'm building my plane on the International Space Station. So no

gravity is available (or only micro-gravity).



-- Craig



Do not archive

lo2u

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 46
Location: Upstate New York

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

Thanks Randy I think I have located what I need. Good to see that you are 

not only handy but have a good sense of humor. If conditions change I will 

contact you later..

Blue Skies,

Ron

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dfmoeller

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Austin, TX

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense at my "noise" comment.  I meant it in a "tongue-in-cheek" fashion, but thats the problem with these groups, inflections don't get put on the screen.



If the gravity press works for you, by all means use it.  I tried it, but only managed to split a set of dies made of oak.  It was this experience that lead me to the plywood solution.  And you do have to admit, it IS overkill.  I quickly realized that the effort to spin a vise handle is miniscule compared to getting out the floor jack, etc.  



The point I WAS trying to make is that the amount of pressure required is actually very low; not at all what I had initially imagined when talk of hydraulic presses and car weights were put out here.



Doug

lo2u

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 46
Location: Upstate New York

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

Point well taken Doug. I agree that it is unfortunate that we dont have 

emoticons so that we can put smilies where appropriate. It would prevent a 

lot of misunderstandings.This is such a fine group of very helpful people it 

is sad that occasionally feelings are unintentionally hurt. Thanks all who 

have replied about the dies. I now have some about to be shipped and 

couldn't be more pleased.

Blue skies everyone,

Ron

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Ron Lendon

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 685
Location: Clinton Twp., MI

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

These were all added using the web interface

                                        



http://forums.matronics.com/



It's the only interface I use any more, and my email box has much less entries now.

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lo2u

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 46
Location: Upstate New York

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

Thanks Ron I will use this forum page more often..

n4546v(at)mindspring.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

DO NOT ARCHIVE,



I don't know why you're apologizing, I've seen no reference to anyone being

offended.  My "crushed, crushed" comment was offered in the spirit of the

references below.  This is a hobby, have fun, enjoy yourselves.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense at my "noise" comment.  I

meant it in a "tongue-in-cheek" fashion, but thats the problem with these
	


groups, inflections don't get put on the screen.

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 If the gravity press works for you, by all means use it.  I tried it, but

only managed to split a set of dies made of oak.  It was this experience
	


that lead me to the plywood solution.  And you do have to admit, it IS

overkill.  I quickly realized that the effort to spin a vise handle is

miniscule compared to getting out the floor jack, etc.

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 The point I WAS trying to make is that the amount of pressure required is

actually very low; not at all what I had initially imagined when talk of
	


hydraulic presses and car weights were put out here.

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Doug


	




Shocked, shocked!

Original source: "Casablanca" (Motion picture: Warner Brothers, 1942)



Events at Rick's Cafe Americain have become uncomfortable for Casablanca's

Vichy government: Freedom fighter Victor Laszlo has led employees and

patrons in a rendition of "La Marseillase" to drown some boisterous German

soldiers singing "Die Wacht am Rhein." Major Strasser orders the happily

corrupt Vichy constable Renault to find a reason to shut Rick's down. When

asked by Rick what's going on, Renault replies, "I am shocked! shocked! to

find that there is gambling going on here!" At that moment a croupier

presents Renault with his own gambling winnings, which he politely accepts.



Usage: In a year-end piece recalling the revelation that many of Chicago's

aldermen, policemen and city officials had accumulated thousands of unpaid

parking tickets, the Chicago Reader recalled that; "The mayor (Richard M.

Daley) was shocked, shocked to learn that so many trusted elected officials

and civil servants were taking the city for a ride. He was even more shocked

that city clerk Jim Laski blew the whistle." "Uncivil Servants," Dec. 27,

1996. Sec. I, p. 25.



Often used to refer to someone, often a government official, or Zenith

Lister who professes outrage at some unsavory activity performed by another,

yet of which he himself is often guilty or obviously has full knowledge.



 	  Quote: 	
		  From CasaBlanca:


	


Rick:  (played by Bogart) How can you close me up? On what grounds?

Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in

here!

[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]

Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.

[aloud]

Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!



Best Regards,



Randy, Las Vegas

ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

Nice looking dies. They look just like the one's I'm using. To do the squash I just put a big 3/4 inch bolt through the center and torqued down. Why the need for the car? A big bolt works just fine.



 	  n4546v(at)mindspring.com wrote: 	
		  I'm crushed, CRUSHED that Doug considers my "gravity powered lightning hole 

press" method as "noise" on the list.  The bigger point is that nearly every 

builder has these tools (a truck and a hydraulic jack) at their disposal, so 

they can accomplish the task with ZERO additional investment.  Sure it's 

overkill, but you can do it without spending a dime, nor juggling "C" clamps 

AND a vise.  When you are pressing the lightning holes in a 12' wing spar 

web, how handy is that to hold in a bench vise?



I am attaching the pic of my operation for the benefit of the new guys. 

This is again, old hat for the list oldtimers who will cringe at viewing it 

again, I apologize in advance.



The steel dies shown were used as shown, but they can just as easily be used 

in a hydraulic press or other pressing method.



They were made from ZA prints and have been used by several builders so far 

with no problems.



Attn: Ron Culver:



Do you have ALL your parts of the project ready for flanging or how long 

will you need to keep the dies?



They are currently "in the field" on loan to a 701 builder who has finished 

with them and is "waiting instructions" on who to forward them to.



If you are interested, please reply with info.  I loan them out to ZA 

builders on this list for shipping only.  I prefer that they not stay with a 

builder for years, but months is certainly not a problem.



I lent them to a 601 builder who had a problem with one of the dies.  One of 

the holes requiring flanging on a 601 is within a channel, so that 

particular die needs to be altered (edges trimmed) to fit within the 

channel.  If they ever arrive "home", I will do this conversion to work with 

the 601.  As they are now, they do everything required on a 701.



Best Regards,



Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV

 	  Quote: 	
		   I also found that the noise on this forum about the need for hydraulic 

 presses is overkill.  So is using a car to provide the pressure.

n4546v(at)mindspring.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

Because I had a Truck and a hydraulic jack, I didn't have a 3/4 inch bolt.

Do you know how much those things cost these days?



Regards,



Randy, Las Vegas  do not archive





 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Nice looking dies. They look just like the one's I'm using. To do the

squash I just put a big 3/4 inch bolt through the center and torqued down.
	


Why the need for the car? A big bolt works just fine.

ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

Home Depot all thread 3/4 inch, $9. Two 3/4 inch nuts, about $1.50 each.



 	  n4546v(at)mindspring.com wrote: 	
		  Because I had a Truck and a hydraulic jack, I didn't have a 3/4 inch bolt.

Do you know how much those things cost these days?



Regards,



Randy, Las Vegas  do not archive





 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Nice looking dies. They look just like the one's I'm using. To do the

squash I just put a big 3/4 inch bolt through the center and torqued down.

	


Why the need for the car? A big bolt works just fine.

lo2u

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 46
Location: Upstate New York

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver

My oh my guys. I know this is all in a good natured banter but can't we let 

it die a natural death. I don't mind but it keeps referring to ATTN:Ron 

Culver. Actually I am one of those "if it works that is all that is 

required" and "live and let live". I personally care not how but If ..

Be kind,be tolerant and on this issue finally be gone..

Thanks all,

Ron Culver

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