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rogerabc

Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 11

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Tailplane Retention

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 Dear Forum/PFA/Europa,



 This mod has not been approved or tested and the photos are only of  

 a trial installation so please don't bother with too much negative  

 feedback - it wasn't even my idea originally!



 It does fit the tailplanes securely with no load transferred to the  

 internal bushes.



 I'm not proposing an alternative system, it's just an idea for  

 consideration by those who are reviewing the design of our   

 tailplane retention system.



 Brgds,



 Roger




	


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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi! Roger



I think the concept is an excellent one but.......(NOT BEING NEGATIVE)

a) I would prefer not to invade the existing drive plate and I don't

like sharp filed corners in "canware fabrications". I'd think that the

locator plate could be "fashioned" to engage behind the welded pin

without any filing of the drive plates.

b) I would prefer to have two such retainers on each tail plane fore and

aft of the drive plates. Both similarly "fashioned" as a) above.

c) I could imagine a temporary rigging prop tool to drop between the two

(as in (b) above) upstandings on the surface of the tail planes to

assist one man rigging to be removed prior to engaging the pip pins.

IMHO my clamps take care of the inboard problems, your concept as above

takes care of the outboard problems, this then only leaves the central

horn possibility!

But of course we mere mortals aren't yet privy to all that we are

looking to solve. To enable innovative ideas to be contributed it would

be more helpful for us to "see the horse before we start mending the

cart"! 



Hopefully you have copied Ian Rickard in on this concept in time prior

to decisions being made about massive tailplane invasion.?

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Roger



Thanks this is GREAT.  What we all want is this sort of thinking,

outside the box. Please do not apologise for any failings others might

spot.  This may be the seed of the idea that saves us all a lot of

problems.



Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI XS Trigear

Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk   

   or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

h.siedsma(at)inter.nl.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Perhaps it is stupid but I think about the following solution. Pre-  load

the TP12 pin. Easy to do without taken the tail system in part. Drill a hole

just behind the TP 12 ( Perhaps only 4 mm )  Take a piece of spring metal.

Through the hole and than bench it around under load. I have no idea what

the pre-load have to be  to avoid any movement on the pins. The spring can

be heavy due to the fact you can use a long piece and cut after assembly or

make a special tool.

My tail has already 6.5 mm play on the trailing edge and my plane did not

fly one meter. It has no play on the TP9. My holes are drilled at a special

workshop. It all look perfect but ....

Perhaps this is not a solution for the aviation...

Hans



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Van: 	owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]  Namens G-IANI

Verzonden:	maandag 25 juni 2007 11:52

Aan:	europa-list(at)matronics.com

Onderwerp:	RE: Tailplane Retention






Roger



Thanks this is GREAT.  What we all want is this sort of thinking,

outside the box. Please do not apologise for any failings others might

spot.  This may be the seed of the idea that saves us all a lot of

problems.



Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI XS Trigear

Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk

   or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Nice idea, but fundamentally doesn't  provide connection of the TP skin to 

the outer  pip pin hole (which I understand the PFA are looking for) in the 

event that the outer bush becomes disbonded and grossly loose. .



Duncan McF.

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bill.sue(at)orcon.net.nz
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: Tailplane Retention

I am visiting the UK, staying in London for 4 weeks from 28th this month.



Am planning to attend the PFA Weekend at Popham 7/8th July.



Will there be any Europa builder/flyers there to chat to and which is 

the best day to attend.



Regards



Sue & Bill



Mono XS

914 / Airmaster

580Hrs

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi! Bill and Sue

We can't help with things to do in London however should you venture

"North of Watford" give us a call...... we have Kingsley Hurst and

Janice with us for a couple of nights at present but with the weather as

it's been they are sorry to not have brought their cossy's with them.

Regards

Bob and Jan Harrison G-PTAG North Lincolnshire.

01472 852498

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mau11(at)free.fr
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi Roger Sheridan,

I like your solution,

do you have a face picture, and/or drawing.

Thanks 

Michel Auvray

Builder 145 > 300 hours flight



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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]De la part de Roger

Sheridan

Envoye : lundi 25 juin 2007 08:53

A : europa-list(at)matronics.com

Objet : Tailplane Retention





 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Dear Forum/PFA/Europa,



 This mod has not been approved or tested and the photos are only of  

 a trial installation so please don't bother with too much negative  

 feedback - it wasn't even my idea originally!



 It does fit the tailplanes securely with no load transferred to the  

 internal bushes.



 I'm not proposing an alternative system, it's just an idea for  

 consideration by those who are reviewing the design of our   

 tailplane retention system.



 Brgds,



 Roger

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Maybe I should go back to making wetsuits for a living! Are you flooded 

over there?

Graham



R.C.Harrison wrote:

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 Hi! Bill and Sue

 We can't help with things to do in London however should you venture

 "North of Watford" give us a call...... we have Kingsley Hurst and

 Janice with us for a couple of nights at present but with the weather as

 it's been they are sorry to not have brought their cossy's with them.

 Regards

 Bob and Jan Harrison G-PTAG North Lincolnshire.

 01472 852498

willie.harrison(at)tinyon
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hello Bill



Mine (G-BZNY) is un-grounded again having passed its FSB 006 checks  

today. I'll see if I can negotiate a Permit to Fly from Higher  

Authority (SWMBO) to go to Popham.



Who knows, Summer might even put in an appearance.



Regards



Willie

On 26 Jun 2007, at 04:19, Bill and Sue wrote:



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 <bill.sue(at)orcon.net.nz>



 I am visiting the UK, staying in London for 4 weeks from 28th this  

 month.



 Am planning to attend the PFA Weekend at Popham 7/8th July.



 Will there be any Europa builder/flyers there to chat to and which  

 is the best day to attend.



 Regards



 Sue & Bill



 Mono XS

 914 / Airmaster

 580Hrs

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi! Graham

No we aren't flooded since we are about 300ft above sea level. However

Roger Cullum and family had to stay with us last night and tonight since

his house has 1ft of water in it. Never mind wet suits ....a device to

make water run up hill would be sure to make a bloody fortune !



G'day Mate!

Bob Harrison G-PTAG

Do not archive.



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jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Bob



Well Kingslely and Jan sure get around!



Best Wishes to you all from far off and cold Oz.



JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Bob

there is one, it's called a tree!

Graham



R.C.Harrison wrote:

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 Hi! Graham

 No we aren't flooded since we are about 300ft above sea level. However

 Roger Cullum and family had to stay with us last night and tonight since

 his house has 1ft of water in it. Never mind wet suits ....a device to

 make water run up hill would be sure to make a bloody fortune !

 

 G'day Mate!

 Bob Harrison G-PTAG

 Do not archive.

Trevpond(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi Bob,

  

 My hangar/garage was flooded to 3 feet and my  Trailer was  completely under water as were 2 Mig Welders, my compressor, most of my power  tools and assorted tool boxes and trolleys.  My beautiful new Chysler  Crossfire was flooded to the dashboard and appears to be a write-off.   Thank goodness my aeroplane was in it's hangar at Abbots Bromley.  Our  kennels has survived, gold medals for swimming were awarded to staff rescuing  dogs and cats (I'm not eligible as I'm both management and retired!)  The  Cattery is now closed and will be rebuilt from scratch as the Insurance company  think that will be the cheapest option.

  

 Hey ho, just another day in my life and of course, according to my Wife,  it's all my fault!!   Can I come and live at your house as  well?

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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btin
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi Bob,



Regards to Roger, Julie and I are in a hotel - our house is flooded also.

'Beam me up Scottie.'



cheers,



Mike



Trev,



We must compare natural disaster notes!!!!!



regards,



Mike



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jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Dear Bob

  

  I was on a floodable farm for some years and experienced a few floods,  swimming to get the cattle off the flats at one stage.

  

I don't know which Bob you are writing to but I can understand  a little of how you are feeling. I wish you good luck in getting things together  again. Hopefully it will not be as bad as it first appears and you can do at  least some rescuing.

  

 I hope a surge of energy engulfs you and you can "get stuck into it" as  they wold say in Oz.

  

 Best Wishes

 JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz.

  

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Trevpond(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: Tailplane Retention

Hi Mike,

  

 If we both start swimming now, we should meet up near the reservoir at  Rotheram - I'll be wearing the Red Fins!!!!   Best to Jules.

  

  

  

 Trev

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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btin
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: Tailplane Retention

I am afraid that Jules lost a major sense of humour failure about midday on  monday as the filthy water rose above her ankles in the middle of her newly  decorated dining room.

  

 Oh Gawd!!!!

  

 regards,

  

 Mike

  

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