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 Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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Hello gang (unfortunately the dwindling gang  ) . I have an iPod + XDP4k Question (applies to any XDP + any MP3 Player Setup). I'm a wordy S.O.B. but I eventually get my point across :-p
I am re-vamping my 1999 Tacoma Audio installation, and I integrated a 30GB Video iPod with my C90 + XDP-4K combo. I bought a "PAC" brand "Unilink Aux Input Adaptor" that plugs into the CD-Changer Unilink Input on my XDP-4k, and tricks the Head Unit (or XDP) into thinking a Unilink CD-Changer is connected (The C90 displays "CD2, Track 00 Time 00:00" continuously while listening to the iPod), and allows you to use the associated RCA Inputs for whatever source you want (an iPod's "Dock" Line Out in my case). I removed my dual 10-Disc changers in favor of the iPod (and I still have the C90's CD Player via Toslink for more "Critical Listening").
The PAC Unilink adaptor is like this:
http://home.speedfactory.net/tcashin/pacdongle.jpg
It works fine for the most part, *BUT* if I power-down the C90 (remove +12v Switched Power from the C90) while I'm on any source *BUT* the iPod (it appears as "CD2" on the C90), the C90 freaks out on the next power-up, and freezes up (when I turn on the Truck). So, if I'm on the C90's internal CD Player (Toslink) or the AM/FM Tuner (RCA) and power down (turn off the Truck's ignition) - the next time I turn on the Truck, the C90 is freaked out, and is essentially non-functional (no display, etc). The C90 still "Beeps" and stuff, but there is no display or blue LED ring around the rotary encoder at this point (the XDP and Amps will turn on sometimes, and not at other times! Wierd stuff - I'm lost).
*BUT* if I power down the C90 (turn off the truck's Ignition) while the iPod is currently selected on the C90 ("CD2" on the C90), I can power back on just fine (Turn on the Truck), and everything is alright! Odd, huh? Since I just mounted the iPod, it took me a little while to discover this issue, and I was very perplexed once I did...
Even when the iPod is selected on power-up, the C90 still does a quick power-down/reboot as it re-detects the PAC Unilink Adaptor (but it works fine after that).
Once the C90 "Freezes Up" (from powering-up with the C90's internal CD or AM/FM Tuner selected), I am able to do a "Reset" from the C90's front-panel "Reset" button, and it works fine after that (until I power off again with anything other than the iPod selected). But this entails resetting the C90's Clock and the Display angle every time this happens (but this is MUCH easier than removing my passenger seat to un-plug the PAC Unilink Adaptor from the XDP!). So the iPod works, but it is buggy to say the least...
PS - This also happens when I use my XA-C30 3-Input Unilink box into the XDP-4k (happens with or w/o the XA-C30). Also happens with and without a Sony 848x CD-Changer connected to the XA-C30.
Does anyone make a different Unilink Input Adaptor that does not cause this behavior with an XDP-4k + C90? Or is there anything else I can do to use the Analog RCA Changer input on the XDP-4k? (PS - I need the C90's AM/FM Tuner, so I need the XDP's "Master" RCA Input for that functionallity). Making my own Unilink adaptor is not out of the question (I have extra Unilink Cables and descent soldering/circuitry skills), but I'd need a schematic (and I assume it would be a better design than the PAC Unilink adaptor I already have?).
I have seen the Unilink-to-iPod "Control" type adaptors, but everything I have read indicates those "lock out" the iPod's front-panel controls, and force you to use the Sony Head-Unit's controls and display to navigate the iPod (and we all know you can't read the C90's display before 8PM if your life depended on it), so I'd prefer to control the iPod from the iPod's front-panel click-wheel (this rules out the Unilink-to-iPod "Control" type interfaces IIRC). Is this correct?
I also have a CDX-805 and a CDX-848x 10-Disc Unilink Changer I'd be willing to bastardize for this project, but other means are preferred before I kill a perfectly fine Unilink CD Changer (and I'd need specific instructions before I attempt this)...
One more Q concerning the iPod - I bought an "iPod Dock Cable" that has RCA Outs and connections for +12V for charging the iPod's battery. The benefits over a 1/8" Headphone Cable are that it bypasses the iPod's Headphone Amplifier Stage, and provides a true Fixed Level "Line Out" (volume independent), plus facilities for charging the iPod from the Vehicle's electrical system. The drawback is I get odd noise from the iPod when it is charging (ground loops / differences in ground potential causing noise to get carried over the audio shields). The iPod's +12V power and ground terminate with the XDP-4K's +12V power + ground (ground potential is identical), but I'm still getting odd noise in the iPod's RCA's with the +12V connected. It sounds like odd HD Head-Seeking (digital) type noise, not a steady analog hum. If I pull the fuse that feeds the iPod +12V, the noise goes away - a classic sign of a Ground Loop. But as I ponder it, the iPod Dock cable does run the +12V and RCA's in the same wire "jacket" for 5 feet (from the iPod connector to where the iPod's RCA's and Power Wires split) - so it might also be induced noise I'm hearing (That is what I'm thinking since the noise fluctuates, it's not a steady hum. I'd guess -50dB or higher on a 0dBfs scale). How can I eliminate this on the +12V side of the iPod's charging circuitry? I refuse to put a line-level Transformer on the RCA's, so some type of +12V filter is needed (but I have never had to rely on such P.O.S. tactics before - so what works, and will any kind of +12V filter cure this noise?). I have also pondered installing a separate +12V Toggle Switch for the iPod so it can charge during less-critical listening or when I'm not in the Truck. Then I can listen with the iPod's +12V turned "off", and enjoy a low noise floor. Flip the switch as I head into work for the day, and return (9 Hours Later) to a fully charged iPod that can be listened to off the internal battery. But a +12V filter is preferred for simplicity's sake. The iPod mainly lives in the Tuck - I only bring it inside to Sync it - so some sort of charging mechanism is needed.
Once I'm done, this will be my best sounding Mobile Install in my 18 Year tenure in Car Audio. Thanks in no small part to the XDP-4k and Sony ES mid/high amplifiers: I'm running a Sony XM-7547 (the big one) Bridged on a pair of 8.75" Vifa Mid-Woofers, and a Sony XM-100G (Dual Mono Topology) on a pair of CDT ES-02 2" hand-coated Mid-Tweets in the A-Pillars (crossed at 793 Hz, and possibly at 500Hz/72dB Oct). Combined with a pair of JBL W12GTi 12" subs in a sealed 2.3 Cu Ft enclosure on a Rockford BD1500.1 (at) 1.5 Ohms (approx 2KW RMS). In addition, almost 3 Farads of Stiffening Caps, and that (along with proper XDP/DSC tuning) should make for a killer system  I'm a little bit excited about this if you can't tell by now 
A sincere "Thanks" from a continuing/modernizing XDP4K + C90 enthusiast,
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That's some hadcore DIY'ing, Matt! I considered the Phatbox for some time, but I could not justify its cost or the cost of it's HD's (the Hacked Firmware sounds interesting). I can live with this "PAC Issue" like it is, but it is just annoying. I bet it would work fine w/o the XDP4k (if I had the PAC adaptor plugged directly into the C90).
But, I can't read the darn C90 Display to begin with - so trying to navigate through the Phatbox's 10,000 MP3's from that un-readable display is asking for frustration (and hunching over and using your hands to "Sheild" the sun from the C90's face is probably more dangerous than clicking through the iPod - I know I have almost crashed a few times while trying to read the C90's clock during the day).
I also wanted a high-contrast color Video Screen. So the Phatbox is out (due to no fault of its own).
I mounted my 30GB Video iPod right next to the C90, and it is in plain view and sits approx 2" away from the C90's rotary encoder. The wiring is very clean (one Dock connector cable, about 8" of it is exposed and not cluttered at all IMO), and the mount is solid (but does not mar the iPod's finish). Here is a quick (and dark) pic:
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=9aipodc90noflashgccl3.jpg
You can see how much brighter the iPod is, and that is with it set at 50% Brightness! That thing will blind you in a dark truck if you don't crank down the Brightness! It is so much easier to read and navigate than the C90 IMO (even 100% readable in direct sunlight)...
As far as "Theft" - I think the $,$$$ 12" Subs and amps are more of an attraction than the $200 iPod, but with literally two clicks (one to remove the Dock Cable, one to release the iPod Cradle) the iPod comes inside with me in under 5 seconds Just as easy as removing the C90's face...
I'll probably stick with this install for a year or so, and then rip out the C90/XDP in favor of a Car-PC + RME "Multiface" Audio Interface to do all of the Linear-Phase DSP, and I'll get a 7" LCD with DVD-Navigation and endless storage capacity to boot! That's going to be fun (seems like the next logical step to me)...
Thanks for the info!
Any ideas on how to kill the noise I'm getting when the iPod is charging? I'll probably just add a seperate toggle switch so I can charge it when I'm not listening to it, and play off the Battery while listening (or even do a "Reverse Relay" that kicks on when I turn off the Truck)...
Randy V
On 7/1/07, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
At 03:09 AM 7/1/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
| Quote: | I am re-vamping my 1999 Tacoma Audio installation, and I integrated a 30GB Video iPod with my C90 + XDP-4K combo. I bought a "PAC" brand "Unilink Aux Input Adaptor" that plugs into the CD-Changer Unilink Input on my XDP-4k, and tricks the Head Unit (or XDP) into thinking a Unilink CD-Changer is connected (The C90 displays "CD2, Track 00 Time 00:00" continuously while listening to the iPod), and allows you to use the associated RCA Inputs for whatever source you want (an iPod's "Dock" Line Out in my case). I removed my dual 10-Disc changers in favor of the iPod (and I still have the C90's CD Player via Toslink for more "Critical Listening").
The PAC Unilink adaptor is like this:
http://home.speedfactory.net/tcashin/pacdongle.jpg |
Sounds to me like the PacDongle isn't following the Unilink protocol correctly. There are quite a few "nuances" about the protocol that must be emulated exactly if reliable operation is expected. I wrote a Unilink emulator for a 8051-core microcontroller and spent a substantial amount of effort getting the timing correct and emulating the protocol correctly. To my knowledge, there is no officially available "specification" from Sony on the Unilink protocol, and anyone that has ever done it other than Sony, did it by reverse engineering it.
I was pretty motivated for a while on building a device similar to the PacDongle that you have and actually have built a system that does a full CD Changer emulation including track and album information in a test enviroment. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, the the market for a Unilink product is dwendling quickly. Here's a couple of pics of the system I built with a 60GB hard drive. The close up is of the 100 mips 8051-based microcontroller to specifically do the Unilink emulation. It also does full Unilink decode on the bus and outputs to RS232 for debugging.
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/MattsUnilinkMP3-CompleteSystem.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/MattsUnilinkMP3-100mips8051.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/MattsUnilinkMP3-DebugDecodingDump.pdf
I've been using the Phatnoise Phatbox system in both my car and truck C90/4000x installations for about 5 years now. http://www.phatnoise.com/ The Phatbox is basically what I was building. The Phatbox is in the trunk and looks in every way just like a full-featured CD Changer. The Phatbox has its quirks, but generally works great and has been extremely reliable. There is a website called PhatHack http://www.phathack.com/ that has hacked the Phatbox firmware such that you can use your own OEM hard drives now, and I have recently upgraded both of Phatboxes to 160GB. My library is currently at 85GB so I can have my entire collection online with the Phatbox. For me, the best part of the Phatbox type implementation is that it is truly like a CD Changer in that it is remotely mounted and I simply control it from the C90 including all track display information. Fumbling around with an iPod in the passenger area is just a car accident waiting to happen not to mention pretty kludgy with the wires and what not. Its also big sign asking someone to break in a steal it.
My recommendation? Dump the iPod and PacDongle and get yourself a sweet Phatbox setup. Your friends will be impressed and you will be too.
Matt Dralle
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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My main issue with these type units (any iPod adaptor that controls the iPod from the Head-Unit) is that they DISABLE the iPod's front-panel controls (the iPod's Click Wheel becomes useless)! This means you must navigate the iPod from the C90 - and I can't navigate what I can't physically see (damn C90 Display). NTM the iPod is so easy to navigate in general - that I would prefer it's "Click Wheel" over the C90 even *IF* I could read the C90 during the day. I also recall that these interfaces disable the iPod display, too (but I'm not sure about that part).
Maybe I'm mistaken, but everything I have read indicates that any iPod adaptor that "Takes Over" the iPod from the Head-Unit locks out the iPod's controls (maybe this is an iPod issue?). And I'm not sure if that XA-110IP box will even work on older Unilink systems (it says for 2006 and newer units - I guess Sony "Fixed" the Unilink Protocol for the new units, but "Broke" it's backwards compatibility for older units?). If only a new Sony HU (with a readable display) would work with the XDP4k
On the noise - The XDP and C90 *already* have dedicated 8Ga Grounds (the iPod charging wires are tacked on with the XDP - so its ground potential is identical), and all 8 system grounds terminate at a single point ("Star Grounding" to an unused 17mm Seat Belt Bolt in the X-Tra Cab). I'm thinking it is induced noise, as the iPod +12v charge wire runs in the same "Wire Jacket" as the RCA's for approx 5 feet (from the iPod Dock connector to where the cable "Breaks out" to seperate RCA/Power wires). The RCA Sheilding is probably inadequate considering there is a +12v wire run in parallel with the RCA's for 5 Feet (but Alpine's AI-Net does this for tens of feet - but probably with better Audio shielding).
On Chassis Ground issues - Right now, I have the C90, XDP, and 2 Amps all tied into the Metal Chassis, and all is quiet as a mouse over here . Star Grounding with heavy gague wires seems to work well - VERY well. I'm hooked!
Thanks for the reply, Matt!
Randy V
On 7/1/07, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
At 01:25 PM 7/1/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
| Quote: | That's some hadcore DIY'ing, Matt! I considered the Phatbox for some time, but I could not justify its cost or the cost of it's HD's (the Hacked Firmware sounds interesting). I can live with this "PAC Issue" like it is, but it is just annoying. I bet it would work fine w/o the XDP4k (if I had the PAC adaptor plugged directly into the C90).
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You might want to contact the Dongle manufacture; they might be interested in working with you on the issue. When I was doing my Unilink development, I found that even Sony's Unilink implementation varied from head unit to head unit. On my emulator, something that would work on the C90 wouldn't quite work on a C8850 for example, so a little timing tweak was required to get them to both work. I picked up a number of different Sony head units off Ebay so that I could test my development across a variety of different Sony implementations. Sounds to me like the developer of your dongle assumed that if his implimentation worked on one head unit, it would work on all of them. Not.
But screw all that, check out this sweet deal I just found directly from Sony:
http://www.xplodsony.com/xplod/accessories/XA-110IP
http://www.xplodsony.com/files/manuals/XA-110IP_Owners_Manual.pdf
At $50 what have you got to lose? I just ordered one from Crutchfield for $49.95, in stock. I will post a review when I receive it and had a chance to play with it. Note that it even charges the IPod.
| Quote: | Any ideas on how to kill the noise I'm getting when the iPod is charging? I'll probably just add a seperate toggle switch so I can charge it when I'm not listening to it, and play off the Battery while listening (or even do a "Reverse Relay" that kicks on when I turn off the Truck)...
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This problem is almost always related to the grounding and the fact that the C90/4000x/iPod grounds are not at exactly the same potential. I ran big old 8 gauge Power AND Ground wire from my stereo power distribution up to the C90 and also to the 4000x. I don't switch anything through the ignition.
The Phatbox is powered through the Unilink cable though, and I found that if I screwed the chassis of the Phatbox (metal) directly to the floor pan of my truck (also metal), I would get a bad whine. I mounted the Phatbox to a piece of plexiglass and then mounted the plexiglass to the floor pan of the truck and all the noise went away. Make sure that you run specific ground wires to all of the components and use big wire like 10 or 8 gauge and tie all the grounds together. Also, if at all possible isolate all of the components from the car chassis.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com) Email
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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PS - I do have dedicated 8Ga +12v runs to the C90 and XDP. I use a simple Relay to transfer the truck's Switched +12v, so the C90's Switched +12v currnet still comes form the 8Ga wire that terminates with the rest of the system power wiring  I didn't mess around with my wiring this time!
On 7/1/07, Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com (randyman(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | My main issue with these type units (any iPod adaptor that controls the iPod from the Head-Unit) is that they DISABLE the iPod's front-panel controls (the iPod's Click Wheel becomes useless)! This means you must navigate the iPod from the C90 - and I can't navigate what I can't physically see (damn C90 Display). NTM the iPod is so easy to navigate in general - that I would prefer it's "Click Wheel" over the C90 even *IF* I could read the C90 during the day. I also recall that these interfaces disable the iPod display, too (but I'm not sure about that part).
Maybe I'm mistaken, but everything I have read indicates that any iPod adaptor that "Takes Over" the iPod from the Head-Unit locks out the iPod's controls (maybe this is an iPod issue?). And I'm not sure if that XA-110IP box will even work on older Unilink systems (it says for 2006 and newer units - I guess Sony "Fixed" the Unilink Protocol for the new units, but "Broke" it's backwards compatibility for older units?). If only a new Sony HU (with a readable display) would work with the XDP4k
On the noise - The XDP and C90 *already* have dedicated 8Ga Grounds (the iPod charging wires are tacked on with the XDP - so its ground potential is identical), and all 8 system grounds terminate at a single point ("Star Grounding" to an unused 17mm Seat Belt Bolt in the X-Tra Cab). I'm thinking it is induced noise, as the iPod +12v charge wire runs in the same "Wire Jacket" as the RCA's for approx 5 feet (from the iPod Dock connector to where the cable "Breaks out" to seperate RCA/Power wires). The RCA Sheilding is probably inadequate considering there is a +12v wire run in parallel with the RCA's for 5 Feet (but Alpine's AI-Net does this for tens of feet - but probably with better Audio shielding).
On Chassis Ground issues - Right now, I have the C90, XDP, and 2 Amps all tied into the Metal Chassis, and all is quiet as a mouse over here . Star Grounding with heavy gague wires seems to work well - VERY well. I'm hooked!
Thanks for the reply, Matt!
Randy V
On 7/1/07, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com) > wrote: | Quote: | --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle < dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
At 01:25 PM 7/1/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
| Quote: | That's some hadcore DIY'ing, Matt! I considered the Phatbox for some time, but I could not justify its cost or the cost of it's HD's (the Hacked Firmware sounds interesting). I can live with this "PAC Issue" like it is, but it is just annoying. I bet it would work fine w/o the XDP4k (if I had the PAC adaptor plugged directly into the C90).
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You might want to contact the Dongle manufacture; they might be interested in working with you on the issue. When I was doing my Unilink development, I found that even Sony's Unilink implementation varied from head unit to head unit. On my emulator, something that would work on the C90 wouldn't quite work on a C8850 for example, so a little timing tweak was required to get them to both work. I picked up a number of different Sony head units off Ebay so that I could test my development across a variety of different Sony implementations. Sounds to me like the developer of your dongle assumed that if his implimentation worked on one head unit, it would work on all of them. Not.
But screw all that, check out this sweet deal I just found directly from Sony:
http://www.xplodsony.com/xplod/accessories/XA-110IP
http://www.xplodsony.com/files/manuals/XA-110IP_Owners_Manual.pdf
At $50 what have you got to lose? I just ordered one from Crutchfield for $49.95, in stock. I will post a review when I receive it and had a chance to play with it. Note that it even charges the IPod.
| Quote: | Any ideas on how to kill the noise I'm getting when the iPod is charging? I'll probably just add a seperate toggle switch so I can charge it when I'm not listening to it, and play off the Battery while listening (or even do a "Reverse Relay" that kicks on when I turn off the Truck)...
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This problem is almost always related to the grounding and the fact that the C90/4000x/iPod grounds are not at exactly the same potential. I ran big old 8 gauge Power AND Ground wire from my stereo power distribution up to the C90 and also to the 4000x. I don't switch anything through the ignition.
The Phatbox is powered through the Unilink cable though, and I found that if I screwed the chassis of the Phatbox (metal) directly to the floor pan of my truck (also metal), I would get a bad whine. I mounted the Phatbox to a piece of plexiglass and then mounted the plexiglass to the floor pan of the truck and all the noise went away. Make sure that you run specific ground wires to all of the components and use big wire like 10 or 8 gauge and tie all the grounds together. Also, if at all possible isolate all of the components from the car chassis.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com) Email
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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Killer links! I'm looking into the http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD002 right now. I ran across most of the iPod adaptors as I was feverishly Googling (before I started the Install), but this one slipped by me! It might just be perfect as long as the iPod remains fully operational (it appears it does)
Thanks Matt!!!
Randy V
On 7/1/07, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote: [quote]--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
At 01:58 PM 7/1/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
Follow up to this... Reading around the Net there are some serious mixed reviews on this unit. Seems that it works as advertised, but navigation is sloooow. It also disables the iPod's controls, which probably won't work for you. Anyway, I'm anxious to give it a try and see if it will work with the C90 - a nine-year old deck!
Here's a couple of other options I found surfing around for full control and display on a Sony head unit over the Unilink from an iPod:
Full Control w/ Display:
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD001
http://www.amazon.com/Peripheral-Adapter-iPod2Car-connects-iPod/dp/tech-data/B000FUA1IG/ref=de_a_smtd/103-7653789-2989460 (Here's a good review of this one: http://www.thinkmac.net/blog/archives/review-ipod2car-gen-2-ipod-car-integration.html )
Audio-Only, No Control/No Display:
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD002
Matt
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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One thing that scares me a little - That "Connects2" adaptor has a disclaimer that says "Note: Not suitable for use in conjunction with a CD changer, or with 1st generation iPods."
I'm not sure if this means you'd need something like a XA-C30 to use a CD-Changer (since the iPod adaptor eats up your Unilink connnection), or if there are issues with passing the adaptor's protocol through such Unilink units (or even passing through a XDP-4k). Any ideas?
It might be worth the cash to try it out. If it doesn't work - off to eBay it goes...
I'll ponder this for a while before I pull the trigger.
Thanks again
On 7/1/07, Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com (randyman(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | Killer links! I'm looking into the http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD002 right now. I ran across most of the iPod adaptors as I was feverishly Googling (before I started the Install), but this one slipped by me! It might just be perfect as long as the iPod remains fully operational (it appears it does)
Thanks Matt!!!
Randy V
On 7/1/07, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com) > wrote:
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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Here is my 2 cents the IPOD outputs video and audio through its headphone jack. How about using the sony Ipod adaptor and get the cables that hook to the head phone jack to output video to your screen if you have one.
Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com> wrote: [quote] One thing that scares me a little - That "Connects2" adaptor has a disclaimer that says "Note: Not suitable for use in conjunction with a CD changer, or with 1st generation iPods."
I'm not sure if this means you'd need something like a XA-C30 to use a CD-Changer (since the iPod adaptor eats up your Unilink connnection), or if there are issues with passing the adaptor's protocol through such Unilink units (or even passing through a XDP-4k). Any ideas?
It might be worth the cash to try it out. If it doesn't work - off to eBay it goes...
I'll ponder this for a while before I pull the trigger.
Thanks again
On 7/1/07, Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com (randyman(at)gmail.com)> wrote: [quote] Killer links! I'm looking into the http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD002 right now. I ran across most of the iPod adaptors as I was feverishly Googling (before I started the Install), but this one slipped by me! It might just be perfect as long as the iPod remains fully operational (it appears it does)
Thanks Matt!!!
Randy V
On 7/1/07, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com) > wrote: [quote]--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle < dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
At 01:58 PM 7/1/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
Follow up to this... Reading around the Net there are some serious mixed reviews on this unit. Seems that it works as advertised, but navigation is sloooow. It also disables the iPod's controls, which probably won't work for you. Anyway, I'm anxious to give it a try and see if it will work with the C90 - a nine-year old deck!
Here's a couple of other options I found surfing around for full control and display on a Sony head unit over the Unilink from an iPod:
Full Control w/ Display:
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD001
http://www.amazon.com/Peripheral-Adapter-iPod2Car-connects-iPod/dp/tech-data/B000FUA1IG/ref=de_a_smtd/103-7653789-2989460 (Here's a good review of this one: http://www.thinkmac.net/blog/archives/review-ipod2car-gen-2-ipod-car-integration.html )
Audio-Only, No Control/No Display:
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=ASOIPOD002
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: XPD-4K + C90 with PAC Unilink Aux Input Adaptor - A bit Squi |
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That's a good idea - but I don't have an LCD in my dash yet (my C90 is in the dash).
When I do finally install a 7" LCD in my dash (2-Din flush mounted), the C90 + XDP + iPod will all be history, as I will use the Car-PC to do all of that work (and more) in one box (well 2 boxes if you count the RME "Multiface" 16-Channel Audio Breakout Box - it will go right where the XDP is now).
After I get my new door panels fabbed, A-Pillar Mid/Tweeter Pods fabbed, and get my new box built and covered - then I will look into doing a Car-PC + Touchscreen LCD... It's still a little while away (the iPod is a "mid term" solution for me - I have every intention of going to a Car-PC at some point).
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On 7/1/07, Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com (tbone7467(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: | Quote: | Here is my 2 cents the IPOD outputs video and audio through its headphone jack. How about using the sony Ipod adaptor and get the cables that hook to the head phone jack to output video to your screen if you have one.
Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com (randyman(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | One thing that scares me a little - That "Connects2" adaptor has a disclaimer that says "Note: Not suitable for use in conjunction with a CD changer, or with 1st generation iPods."
I'm not sure if this means you'd need something like a XA-C30 to use a CD-Changer (since the iPod adaptor eats up your Unilink connnection), or if there are issues with passing the adaptor's protocol through such Unilink units (or even passing through a XDP-4k). Any ideas?
It might be worth the cash to try it out. If it doesn't work - off to eBay it goes...
I'll ponder this for a while before I pull the trigger.
Thanks again
On 7/1/07, Randy Visentine < randyman(at)gmail.com (randyman(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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