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Rick Lewis

Joined: 03 Jul 2007
Posts: 122
Location: Kingston, Tn.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: Builders Plans

I am new to this forum and will be picking up my plane kit this Thursday, July 5th.  I am going to build the M3x and install a VW engine.  The Kolb people are working with me on the engine mounts with the help of Rick Neilson.  I will talk more on the engine situation as things progress.



     My main concern for now is the plans.  Donnie, from Kolb, gave me my set of plans early while they got the kit together.  This is not my first plane I will have built, in fact it's the third.  The first was a Cozy, wide body Long Ezy, which was strickly a plans built aircraft ( not a kit ).  The second was a Glastar.  Now the third will be the M3X, that is if I can figure out the plans.  I have never seen such a poor excuse for plans as I have been given on this aircraft.  They are the most confusing piles of paper I have ever seen.  They leave me with a feeling of real concern as to whether the plane can be constructed correctly or not.  When I told Donnie about my concerns, he told me that I would catch on.  Really nice guy's there at Kolb and I sure don't want to hurt ther feelings as they will bend over backwards to help anyone. Just what am I missing here?  

                            Thanks 



                       Rick Lewis

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Builders Plans

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MKIIIX040

Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 123
Location: Millinocket, Maine

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: Builders Plans

Your right, Rick 2. The plans contradict themselves page  to page.

  

 Good thing you've got Donnie,Travis & this list, use  em!

  

 Vic

 MKIIIExra

 912ul

 Maine

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icrashrc

Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 247
Location: Mishawaka, In

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Builders Plans

I read thru the plans more than once when I first received kit one. I put dividers in the book to separate different sections. Wing, tail feathers, etc.



The plans are laid out so that every section [wing, tail feathers, etc.] have 3 parts. There's a building log, Mechanical drawings, then the build process itself. 



The build part of the book is not only incomplete but is actually wrong in many places. The mechanical drawings will answer most questions left by the other places in the book. The rest of the questions can be answered on the Kolb list or in the archives. You may also be able to find what you need via the pictures and log on my or other builders websites.

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Paul Petty

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 226
Location: Mississippi

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Builders Plans

Rick,



I commonly refer to my plans as the "Comic Book" they look cool but i feel your pain! And wait till you get...refer to page so and so and it's blank! I think the world of the Gang at TNK. I deal with customer service with a ton of vendors and suppliers in my work and I can tell you this, You will not find better people than Travis,Donnie and Brian anywhere! 

Relax, note areas that you are not sure about and make refrance to what you are missing and i can assure you they will have answers! Here is another tip. See if you can find some older "blue prints"  from the old kolb. They were very helpful to me as to the "Concept" of Holmers design.



And be sure to worry the shit out of John Hauck and dont cry when he bites your head off and hands it to you on a paper plate! hehe



Love you John! Welcome to the Club Rick you will do fine!



PS. are you building the "new" mark 3 X that they had at sun-n-fun? and are your the guys that did the 300 mph pass over the TNK factory field in 2003/4?



take care

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: Builders Plans

Rick

  

 Are you getting the MKIIIX with flaps or flaperons? Check the archives for considerable discussion of the differences and advantages. 

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

  

 [quote]-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Rick2" <cktman(at)hughes.net> 



[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick2" 

 

 I am new to this forum and will be picking up my plane kit this Thursday, July 

 5th. I am going to build the M3x and install a VW engine. The Kolb people are 

 working with me on the engine mounts with the help of Rick Neilson. I will talk 

 more on the engine situation as things progress. 

 

 My main concern for now is the plans. Donnie, from Kolb, gave me my set of 

 plans early while they got the kit together. This is not my first plane I will 

 be building, in fact it's the third. The first was a Cozy, wide body Long Ezy, 

 which was strickly a plans built aircraft ( not a kit ). The second was a 

 Glastar. Now the third will be the M3X, tha  t is i  ics Li  [quote][b]

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Rick Lewis

Joined: 03 Jul 2007
Posts: 122
Location: Kingston, Tn.

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Builders Plans

Rick

    This M3X will have the flaps.  I will look in the archives, if I can figure out how to get there.

                                     Rick

                             

[quote="neilsenrm(at)comcast.net"]Rick

  

 Are you getting the MKIIIX with flaps or flaperons? Check the archives for considerable discussion of the differences and advantages. 

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

  

 [quote]-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Rick2" <cktman> 



[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick2" 

 

 I am new to this forum and will be picking up my plane kit this Thursday, July 

 5th. I am going to build the M3x and install a VW engine. The Kolb people are 

 working with me on the engine mounts with the help of Rick Neilson. I will talk 

 more on the engine situation as things progress. 

 

 My main concern for now is the plans. Donnie, from Kolb, gave me my set of 

 plans early while they got the kit together. This is not my first plane I will 

 be building, in fact it's the third. The first was a Cozy, wide body Long Ezy, 

 which was strickly a plans built aircraft ( not a kit ). The second was a 

 Glastar. Now the third will be the M3X, tha  t is i  ics Li   	  Quote: 	
		  [b]

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Rick Lewis

Joined: 03 Jul 2007
Posts: 122
Location: Kingston, Tn.

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Builders Plans

Thanks everyone for the feed back on the plans.  Donnie and Travis are pretty upset about them also.  I can see why there upset sence it's out of there hands and can't change them thereselves.  They work so hard with everyone and will go out of there way to make the customer happy but yet here's something out of there control.  I know most of you don't live close enough to the factory to visit and get to know them but even when you talk with them at the fly-in's you leave with a good feeling about the plane and Kolb Factory.



     I've got my kit now and kinda figured out the plans so I'm ready to start.  I really don't exspect any problems but I know if I have questions or get confused, I have this forum and the guy's at Kolb. I hope to have the planes framework done in time to bring it down to Sun-N-Fun to be displayed with the VW Engine installation for all to see, that is if the Kolb guy's have room for me to park it.

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Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Builders Plans

I couldn't agree with you more.



I ordered a Mark III but changed it to the "Xtra" when that design came out.  I have the old plans and manual, the later manual and the latest plans.



I also have found that the plans have gone downhill.  The plans were redone but not improved, they have in fact gone the other way.  They have many more mistakes and good tips that were in the previous plans and manuals have been left out.  I have also talked the TNK guys about this and apparently it is out of their hands.  It's a shame because the original plans and manual were in general very good in my opinion.  



The good thing is that the guys on the list are very helpful and you couldn't ask for better people to work with than Travis and Donnie at TNK.



Rex Rodebush (42 years of mechanical design)

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