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najnielkp
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hello all, i am a new member to the list, scratch building a 601xl.i have a question about inspections. at what stages of completion did you have inspections by transport canada ? how much of each section did you close in?
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dougsnash(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: canadian builders inspections |
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Hi there, welcome to the group. I'm building a CH-701
in Northwestern Ontario and planning on going the
Amateur Build route.
First, it is no longer Transport Canada that inspects
AB aircraft in Canada. This has been taken over by
the MD-RA. The first thing that you need to do before
building is go to their website www.md-ra.com and open
a Letter of Intent. This lets them know that you
exist and what you are planning on building. They
charge $58.30 for this service with taxes.
As for how far to build before the pre-cover
inspection, you cannot close any structure that cannot
be internally inspected. That means that you cannot
fully rivet things like your rudder. You must leave
one side loose so that your inspector can look at the
interior of the structure. This issue can be a bit of
a headache but we must play by the rules.
The final inspection will be done at the airport where
you intend on doing your first stage testing. The
aircraft will have to be totally ready to go. Any
snags from the pre-cover must be fixed and documented.
You also have to have at least one hour of ground
running on the engine (I think). Also you have to
have done a fuel flow test. This essentially proves
there will be enough fuel delivered to the engine in
the worst possible situation (usually full climb).
I'm sure that I have glossed over several details but
this will give you an idea of where to start. The
MD-RA website has all of this info.
A couple of additional sources for homebuilt
information in Canada are www.raa.ca and
www.copanational.org. The RAA and COPA have all sorts
of helpful documents on their web site to help guide
you through our Canadian red tape rich rules.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
NW Ontario, Canada
This one should be in the archives.
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hello all, i am a new member to the list, scratch
building a 601xl.i have a question about
inspections. at what stages of completion did you
have inspections by transport canada ? how much of
each section did you close in?
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rlalonde
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: canadian builders inspections |
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Hi Doug
The "intent to build" has gone up in price from 35 dollars just a couple
years ago?
I made an inquiry to the MRDA as to the purpose of this, and what was
covered by this fee. Cant get a straight answer!
This is such an obvious money grab that it sickens me. It is no wonder the
government forced aircraft designers and manufacturers like Chris Heintz to
move to the USA.
If anyone can explain the services provided by the "Intent to Build"
paperwork, I would be happy to find out. The MRDA cant give me a
satisfactory explanation....yet they raised the fee??
The cost of the pre-cover and final inspections are daunting at best. All
expenses of the inspector are paid by the aircraft owner, so if you live in
an out of the way area of Canada be prepared to add hundreds (at least) of
dollars to the cost of your project.
Hate to be such a downer on this subject, but the government "privatized"
this service and is, making it increasingly more expensive for the
homebuilder. What you get, for what you are forced to pay, nowhere equals
the services provided......not even close.
The only saving grace on this issue is that the inspectors/employees of the
MRDA are a good group, knowledgable and helpful. Its too bad the government
makes THEM seem to be the BANDITS.
Ron
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Hi there, welcome to the group. I'm building a CH-701
| Quote: | in Northwestern Ontario and planning on going the
Amateur Build route.
First, it is no longer Transport Canada that inspects
AB aircraft in Canada. This has been taken over by
the MD-RA. The first thing that you need to do before
building is go to their website www.md-ra.com and open
a Letter of Intent. This lets them know that you
exist and what you are planning on building. They
charge $58.30 for this service with taxes.
As for how far to build before the pre-cover
inspection, you cannot close any structure that cannot
be internally inspected. That means that you cannot
fully rivet things like your rudder. You must leave
one side loose so that your inspector can look at the
interior of the structure. This issue can be a bit of
a headache but we must play by the rules.
The final inspection will be done at the airport where
you intend on doing your first stage testing. The
aircraft will have to be totally ready to go. Any
snags from the pre-cover must be fixed and documented.
You also have to have at least one hour of ground
running on the engine (I think). Also you have to
have done a fuel flow test. This essentially proves
there will be enough fuel delivered to the engine in
the worst possible situation (usually full climb).
I'm sure that I have glossed over several details but
this will give you an idea of where to start. The
MD-RA website has all of this info.
A couple of additional sources for homebuilt
information in Canada are www.raa.ca and
www.copanational.org. The RAA and COPA have all sorts
of helpful documents on their web site to help guide
you through our Canadian red tape rich rules.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
NW Ontario, Canada
This one should be in the archives.
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> hello all, i am a new member to the list, scratch
> building a 601xl.i have a question about
> inspections. at what stages of completion did you
> have inspections by transport canada ? how much of
> each section did you close in?
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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: canadian builders inspections |
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Canadian pals-
When I was at Brampford last month, I couldn't understand why everything
was more expensive than quoted on-line. That's when I found out that on top
of THIS tax and THAT tax, you assessed the OTHER tax.
We're only days behind you. If our state lawmakers haven't decided on
the OTHER tax by midnight tonight half of Pennsylvania will be closed
Monday. Seriously. However, there may be an exemption negotiated to keep the
casinos open.
At least Canadians have (From what the people I spoke to told me) good
national healthcare. Our only alternative in the US is to prove we don't
have a pot to piss in and no marketable skills. Then we can go on welfare
and be taken care of cradle to grave.
"We're all in this together. I'm pulling for you". - Steve Smith, AKA
Red Green. Iconic Canadian who now spends half the year golfing in Florida.
Good building!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
This is such an obvious money grab that it sickens me. It is no wonder
the government forced aircraft designers and manufacturers like Chris Heintz
to move to the USA.
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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: canadian builders inspections |
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This thread may well be one of those slippery slopes. The next comment will
come from an indignant republican decrying our "socialist" values etc. While
I understand and sympathize with those who pay exhorbitant fees, this may
not be the best venue to discuss the differences between our countries.
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najnielkp
Joined: 04 Jul 2007
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Location: ontario
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: canadian builders inspections |
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hi , thanks for the info. i do have my letter of intent with the MD-RA. it was applied in the fall of 2005. 1 month ago they just got around to processing it.
after a 1 year hiatus , back to building .
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