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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

I got a phone call a couple hours ago asking if my red and white Zodiac was still safe in the hangar. Turns out another Zodiac 601 HDS was taking it's first flight at a local airpark when the engine quit. The plane ended up on the roof of a house just a couple hundred feet short of the runway. The pilot is OK, just a few scratches and bruises. The plane didn't fare as well.

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planejim(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

Rick,



Thanks for sharing the news. Where are you located - where did this happen?



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Jim Hoak

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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

 	  planejim(at)bellsouth.net wrote: 	
		  Rick,



Thanks for sharing the news. Where are you located - where did this happen?



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Jim Hoak

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I have a hangar at Fox Field in Lancaster, Calif. (WJF). 

The unfortunate HDS was about 8 miles North at Rosamond Skypark (L00) 

According to the Sheriff at the scene, the pilot was OK, but taken to a nearby hospitol to get checked out.

Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you know what it is?

  

 Jeff



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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

[quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you know what it is?

  

 Jeff

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Yeah, I airbrushed the N-numbers off of the tail before posting the pix. No need to identify the owner at this time.  I'm sure it'll all come out in an NTSB review sometime soon.

I'll post more info if something definitive comes up.



Rick Pitcher

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LHusky(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

What engine did it have? 

  

 Larry Husky



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Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

Looks like a subi to me.

  

  

 In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  LHusky(at)aol.com writes:

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		     What engine did it have? 

    

   Larry Husky

	


 

  



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: First flight... not so good

nice landing, i give it 5 points for grace and 5 for origianlity.  Simone, whatdo you think?.



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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

Greetings Mr. Pitcher,



    When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent any 

confusion between them and actual photographs.



    I believe that the "photos" you posted offer definitive proof that a 

plane (which had an N#) hit a house.



Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN



"Hope for the best,

but prepare for the worst"



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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

 	  raymondj(at)frontiernet.n wrote: 	
		  Greetings Mr. Pitcher,



    When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent any 

confusion between them and actual photographs.

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Sorry.

I hereby annotate the photo as "doctored" by removing the N-number before everyone got a chance to speculate why John Doe (not his real name) had problems with his first flight. I really didn't think it was neccessary.



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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

[quote="rickpitcher"] 	  Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you know what it is?

  

 Jeff

quote]



Yeah, I airbrushed the N-numbers off of the tail before posting the pix. No need to identify the owner at this time.  I'm sure it'll all come out in an NTSB review sometime soon.

I'll post more info if something definitive comes up.



Rick Pitcher

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More information here:

http://www.avpress.com/n/15/0715_s8.hts



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Michael Valentine

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 108

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

Raymond, 



If they are "doctored images" and not "actual photographs" then why do believe they offer definitive proof of anything?



I know that email is terrible at communicating intent, but you appear to be chastising Mr. Pitcher.  If so, please spare us the holier-than-thou attitude.  He was doing something he felt was appropriate in keeping the identity of the poor builder confidential for now, while still informing the list of a significant event of interest to all of us.  While noting up front that he had removed the N number from the photograph would have been helpful, he is not trying to deceive anyone. 



If your post was merely intended as a primer in photojournalistic ethics in the digital age, my sincerest apologies.



Michael in NH

601XL languishing in basement during the summer...



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On 7/15/07, raymondj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net (raymondj(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "raymondj" <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net (raymondj(at)frontiernet.net)>



Greetings Mr. Pitcher,



    When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent any 

confusion between them and actual photographs.



    I believe that the "photos" you posted offer definitive proof that a

plane (which had an N#) hit a house.



Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN 



"Hope for the best,

but prepare for the worst"



do not archive

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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

Michael,

  

     My email to Mr. Pitcher was to  express my preferences for annotating images.

  

     I assumed no malice or intent to  decieve by Mr. Pitcher, which is why I took the substance of the  images as truthful and correct and commented that they offered definative proof  of the event.

  

     Mr. Pitcher made his intent  clear.  I did not chastise him for his  decision.

  

     I have no credentials to offer  anyone advice on photojournalistic ethics. It is appropriate for me to make Mr.  Pitcher aware of my preferences. 

  

     If, in the future, I should  choose to chastise someone should I check with you first? You have indicated  that you speak for "us"(whoever that is) when deciding which of my  attitudes the list should be spared.  

  

     I hope I have made my intent  clear.

  

 Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN

  

 "Hope for the best,

but prepare for the  worst."

  

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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: First flight... not so good

Thanks for the reply.  Back to building and dreaming.



Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN



"Hope for the best,

but prepare for the worst."



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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

Here's the story, with pilots name, etc.



http://www.bakersfield.com/102/story/188975.html



I hate it when people doctor stuff, that's readily available in the public

domain for purposes of ....



Regards,

Jeff

rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: First flight... not so good

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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n85ae" <n85ae(at)yahoo.com>

>

> Here's the story, with pilots name, etc.

>

> http://www.bakersfield.com/102/story/188975.html

>

> I hate it when people doctor stuff, that's readily available in the public

> domain for purposes of ....

>

You seem to have trailed off in your statement about "for purposes of..."

What exactly do you believe the purpose was?



I have removed the offending photos.



Rick Pitcher

n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

for purposes of ... 



Beats hell out of me? Why doctor the photos?????



Jeff

Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: First flight... not so good

Guys I for one love to start a good Flame on here from time to time  but asking about the N number was just to make sure the plane had been inspected  and was legal to fly. Some take their bird into the air before inspection and I  was hoping this wasn't one of them. I thank him for the photo's and don't really  care that the N number was blocked out. He wasn't trying to hide it he was  simply respecting the privacy of the owner, it isn't his place to post the N  number that is for the news and the FAA. I think we are missing the bigger  picture here. The plane hit the roof, broke the main gear off, flipped over and  crushed the turtle deck of a 68 year old pilot that more than likely spent 2 to  3 years of his life to build. It is amazing he didn't get killed in it. And we  are gonna bicker about the N number being blocked out. I for one feel very sorry  for anyone that spends that much time to build a dream only to see it gone in a  matter of seconds. I think we need to re think our priorates on this list. One  person even made a joke about it. rating the landing a 5 WTF. If I lived in  California I would offer help in any way I could to help this man get flying  again but I don't but if he is a list member or someone knows him I do have  some extra parts I would gladly give him as I'm sure many others on this list  would.

 I'm sorry for the rant but it just made me sick when I saw the plane  and then the focus of the discussion afterwards.

  

 Jeff 



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Re: First flight... not so good

First, I think it was amazing luck that the pilot survived. I wish him well but would like engine he had in it and how his fuel system was set up.



Second, looking at the FAA registration database it shows the registration for that "602HDS" was dated 7/2/2004.



And last, it looks like Google has shut off there automatic pointer for N numbers.

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barcusc(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: First flight... not so good

I second that Jeff! Far too often people seem you get upset about trivial  things and respond. My heart goes out to the guy who lost his dream, it is  possible he my never be able to accomplish it now for many different reasons. I  view the purpose of this list as a great resource for information from people  with the same passion and more importantly, encouragement. If anybody needs  encouragement now it is the gentlemen that lost his plane, I for one hope and  pray he is able to dust his self off and go right back at it.

  

  

 Clyde Barcus

601 XL, Continental Powered

Wings, Tail & Engine  Complete

Working on Fuselage



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