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R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Hello all:



I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally.  This product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is priced very similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet Rotax specs.  Any thoughts?  Here is a link to the info:

http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf



Thanks,

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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C

aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

When it comes to asking opinions on oil to use, you open a whole can of 

worms.Ask 10 people get 10 different opinions. I have always used castrol TT 

or its replacement Castrol super. I have put up over 500 hours on two 

different 503s without having a bearing fail. One of the engines did stick 

the top ring but was easily freed up.Cylinders have not been scuffed.After 

freeing the top ring this engine was still in-service at 800 hrs. There are 

a lot of people using Pennzoil in this part of the world but I personally 

have seen no evidence that they out last any other oils. I have seen engines 

with stuck rings and others ,mostly early 582s with run bearings that have 

been on Pennzoil.Also 582s with run bearings on almost any type of oil 

that's available.The other thing to look at is the price you pay for some of 

these oils, if you are going to rebuild your engine at say 500 hours the 

extra cost of some oils will have exceeded the cost of the rebuild.  I think 

its a personal choice thing if you believe one oil is giving you better 

protection than another then stay with it. Who can put a price on piece of 

mind when in a steep climb with a passenger over some unfriendly country 

just after take off.

If the replacement oil meets the specs and you are happy to fly with it then 

I see no reason that it will not perform as well ,just keep an eye on the 

CHT and EXT temps if these are different than what you are used to { 

higher } then I would change back.

Just my $00:02 worth



 Tony

  from down under MK111 classic



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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Well, I'll say what I always say about 2-stroke oil.... The brand isn't that important, the important thing is the service grade.



Rotax now recommends the API TC spec oil be used in the 2-strokes. Before there was a TC spec, though, they recommended TCW-III grade oil.



Both of these oil grades will lubricate a 2-stroke, though the TC rating is more strenuous.



The original owner of my FS II used the Walmart marine oil in that 503, which went more than 500 hours. the motor was still developing full power and ran fine at the time I took it off (I only replaced it becuase it was rotting away).



I use the air cooled pennzoil too, but I have the save availability problems as you and will likely switch to the locally available TCW-III oil when I finish this last case of pennzoil I have....



LS

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:34 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

I was going to use Koltz , but after seeing the trouble it was going to be just trying to buy it.....it made me realize that if I'm flying X country ,

what would be an oil that I could find....

   I heard stories like this one , So I figured that would be the one I use...



 Seems to be doing just fine , although I'm "low hours"



It probably helps that I've got oil injection....Thinner at idle...

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                     Gotta Fly...

                                     Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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Getting ready for another X country next weekend....Going to a 

"Tailwind" Fly-in....Thinking about changing plans & building a Buttercup.

(40mph stall - 140mph cruise)

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 	  lucien wrote: 	
		  



The original owner of my FS II used the Walmart marine oil in that 503, which went more than 500 hours. the motor was still developing full power and ran fine at the time I took it off



LS

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herbgh

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 145

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Roger



   Stick your zip code in the box...Herb 



http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html



On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:24:45 -0700 "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>

writes:

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 <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>

 

 Hello all:

 

 I'm having difficulty getting Pennzoil air-colled 2-C oil locally.  

 This product seems to be similar. Is anyone using this oil? It is 

 priced very similarly to Pennzoil and soulds like it would meet 

 Rotax specs.  Any thoughts?  Here is a link to the info:



http://www.76lubricants.com/NR/rdonlyres/88A1712C-5E21-4311-8039-AC01D27B
	


3C4C/0/76_Airkool_HP_2Cycle_Oil.pdf

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 Thanks,

 

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 Roger in Oregon

 1992 KXP 503

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123738#123738

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

At 06:59 AM 7/14/07 -0500, you wrote:

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Roger



   Stick your zip code in the box...Herb 



http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html




	


Better yet:



http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html



And they will deliver it right to your door.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

herbgh

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 145

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Jack

  I just received abt 30 lbs of goodies from Aircraft Spruce..

Atlanta,,,and I am in Extreme south cent Ky... over  40 dollars shipping

with UPS.. 

   Wondering what the shipping would be on a case of Penzoil ?  Herb 

  do not archive 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:24:44 -0500 "Jack B. Hart"

<jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> writes:

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 <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>

 At 06:59 AM 7/14/07 -0500, you wrote:

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 >Roger

 >

 >   Stick your zip code in the box...Herb 

 >

 >http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html

 >

 Better yet:

 http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html

 And they will deliver it right to your door.

 Jack B. Hart FF004

 Winchester, IN

rowedenny(at)windstream.n
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Thay oil will be fine for your Rotax.



Denny Rowe

Mk-3 PA

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Pennzoil seesm to tbe the universal standard oil for Rotax engines, however, 

there remains a small pocket of resistance in Northeast Tennessee which has 

been using Phillips Injex since 1983 with no failures yet. (Probably close 

to 3,000 hours of Rotax/Phillips Injex time) So if you can't find Pennzoil, 

and Phillips is available, you might want to try it -



PS - it doesn't leave as greasy a soot as Pennzoil does, for what that's 

worth -

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

No no Richard, it's Klotz synthetic is the oil of choice for the Rotax 2-stroke. There's very little wear with this oil and it's super clean inside and on the plugs.



Ralph B

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

I'm not that rich. Went to the Klotz webpage, and the cheapest Klotz 2-cycle 

oil I could find was $11.41 a quart. So unless you have some inside 

connection, I think I'll stay with Phillips Injex at $2.36 a quart, thanks 

anyway. And that's delivered to my door, if you buy a case at a time, the 

local distributor delivers it for free.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone using this 2-cycle oil?

Klotz and all oils are getting expensive like gasoline. I buy the Klotz in bulk from the local dealer for $22/gallon and it lasts a long time.



Ralph B

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Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
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