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zodiacjeff(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: AMD Patriot

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> If you get the AOPA Pilot magazine there's an article on the mew LSA design  from Chris.  Called the Patriot, it differs from traditional CH designs by  having a vertical stabilizer/rudder instead of the all-flying rudder we're are  used to seeing.  Quite an attractive a/c, not like the 701 (not that the  701 doesn’t have its charms).

  

 High-wing, almost 33 foot span, 118 kt cruise, stall (clean) at 40 kts,  price to be in $90 to $95K range.  Looks better than the Cessna LSA  offering to me.

  

 Should be at OSH.

  

 do not archive   jeff

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dfmoeller

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Austin, TX

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

Can you do a scan and post a pic?  I can't find a single reference to it on ZAC/s or AMD's websites, although I see it listed as an Oshkosh attraction.  I'm very curious!



Doug

Mitch Hodges

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 45
Location: Powder Springs, GA

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at 



http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html



Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. 



Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online.



Mitch Hodges

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Mitch Hodges

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 45
Location: Powder Springs, GA

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

Let's try this again.  Looks like the forum strips out tagged URL's when you send it through to the list...



If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at 



http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html 



Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. 



Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. 



Mitch Hodges

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ch701builder

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: AMD Patriot

All, The way the article kindof reads, is this might be the CH750 that we had heard rumors about, around 1-1/2 years ago.

 There were indications that it was about 10-15% bigger than the 701, and would fit the LSA requirements closer than the 701 does now, (for speed and Gross Weight)

 

 I guess we will just have to wait and see.

 

 Take care, all of you going to OSH, and think about us that are unable to go. (like me) it never fails, I have TDY travel about this time every year for the last 12 years. Go figure.

 

 Keith

 CH701 -- 8% scratch

 N 38.9947

 W 105.1305

 Alt. 9,100'

 

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Let's try this again.  Looks like the forum strips out tagged URL's when you send it through to the list...



If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at 



http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html 



Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. 



Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. 



Mitch Hodges



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fderfler(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: AMD Patriot

I sat in the new AMD Patriot when I was in Eastman and stirred the controls.  Speaking as a person who prefers low wing airplanes, the high wing doesn't intrude too much on the visibility.  I imagine that flight schools would love it.  Some of the old buzzards on the ramp at "Heart of Georgia" thought it was easier to get in and out of the Patriot than a 601, but I never found it difficult to get in and out of a 601.  However, compared to other high wing LSAs, entry and exit are a snap!  I had nightmares after one ride in a Legend Cub.   

  

 However, the biggest drawback to the Patriot is the same one that burdens the 601:  No cup holders!  How could anyone design a modern airplane without cup holders?   (It is NOT a matter of weight!)  

  

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 From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff(at)msn.com (zodiacjeff(at)msn.com)>

Subject: AMD Patriot



If you get the AOPA Pilot magazine there's an article on the mew LSA 

design from Chris.  Called the Patriot, it differs from traditional CH

designs by having a vertical stabilizer/rudder instead of the all-flying

rudder we're are used to seeing.  Quite an attractive a/c, not like the 

701 (not that the 701 doesn't have its charms).



High-wing, almost 33 foot span, 118 kt cruise, stall (clean) at 40 kts,

price to be in $90 to $95K range.  Looks better than the Cessna LSA

offering to me. 



Should be at OSH.

 

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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: AMD Patriot

I was saving this for the first flight report, but what the heck - I intend to install a PC in the instrument panel, on the passenger side. 

I love those electrically activated cup-holder-trays they have in PCs ! ! 



(Yes, I could resist, but I didn't)

definitely do not archive



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans. No plans for cup holders.

Montreal, Canada

 



[quote] 601 Builders, what have you done about the tragic lack of cup holders in our design?    -- 

Frank Derfler 



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

Here's what  I intend to install on the side of the cockpit.



http://www.topoftheline.com/auto-folding-cup-holder.html

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: AMD Patriot

Members, 

      Does anyone know where a  picture of this aircraft can be seen.

  

 Tracy Stone

 Harker Heights, Tx

 ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300

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Gig Giacona

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070722_cessna.html

[quote="rstone4(at)hot.rr.com"]Members, 

      Does anyone know where a  picture of this aircraft can be seen.

  

 Tracy Stone

 Harker Heights, Tx

 ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: AMD Patriot

Gig,

     Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in price when 

compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the market.  What I don't 

understand is why they are puting flight instruments in that are required 

for instrument flying when the sport pilot rules say no instrument or night 

flying.  I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this 

for a living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight 

instruments.   I have a full compliment of engine instruments but flight 

instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and tachometer which is 

all I need to fly in fair weather day time.



Tracy



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: AMD Patriot

tracy

just because it is sport pilot certified does not mean VFR only pilots.  I wwould like the LSA cessna or AMD patriot or 601xl  ifr, cause some pilots are not limited.  its just a more affordable plane than a 172.  also an LSA pilot can fly a vfr rate 601xl

just not under IFR conditions.



Juan

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psm(at)ATT.NET
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: AMD Patriot

Tracy,



Some of my best memories (not necessarily fondest memories) are 

flights where I was legal VFR but couldn't see anything out the 

windshield.  In cases like this, if you don't have any gyro 

instruments to fly on you can't keep the plane upright.  This is not 

IFR because you can see far enough to avoid other airplanes - you 

just can see enough to fly your own plane.



This is an excellent reason to equip a VFR only plane for IFR 

conditions.  It doesn't call for the tight standards applied to 

certified IFR planes, but a few gyros are a "Must" for any plane I 

fly on long cross country flights.  There is also the possibility of 

accidental entry into instrument meteorological conditions 

(IMC).  Again, you need some gyros here to survive the 

experience.  Inadvertent flight into IMC is a popular way for GA 

pilots to kill themselves.  Over the typical year, only flying drunk 

kills more pilots.



My solution for my Zodiac is to install complete instrumentation in 

the form of a Dynon 180.



Good luck,



Paul

XL fuselage

At 03:35 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Gig,

     Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in 

 price when compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the 

 market.  What I don't understand is why they are puting flight 

 instruments in that are required for instrument flying when the 

 sport pilot rules say no instrument or night flying.  I had a 

 Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this for a 

 living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight 

 instruments.   I have a full compliment of engine instruments but 

 flight instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and 

 tachometer which is all I need to fly in fair weather day time.



Tracy

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

They are not just building an LSA they are building a trainer. This is a replacement for the 150 that just happens to fit the LSA specs.



BTW. I wouldn't be advertising," I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this for a living at a cost..."



Some FSDO might just come and yank your AW certificate.



 	  rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote: 	
		  Gig,

     Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in price when 

compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the market.  What I don't 

understand is why they are puting flight instruments in that are required 

for instrument flying when the sport pilot rules say no instrument or night 

flying.  I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this 

for a living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight 

instruments.   I have a full compliment of engine instruments but flight 

instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and tachometer which is 

all I need to fly in fair weather day time.



Tracy



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Jeyoung65(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: AMD Patriot

Just another question, is there anything wrong with building a  601XL and getting the AW then selling the aircraft? I understand that the buyer  can not get the AW certificate as he did not build 51%. Jerry -  GA



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

Sure you can and you aren't even getting close to breaking the FARs if you built it solely for your own education or recreation.

Experimental certificates.



Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:



(g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation.



 	  Jeyoung65(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  Just another question, is there anything wrong with building a  601XL and getting the AW then selling the aircraft? I understand that the buyer  can not get the AW certificate as he did not build 51%. Jerry -  GA

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StolBrit

Joined: 18 Feb 2007
Posts: 7

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or set up a link to?      Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige?



Thanks to anyone who can ...

amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: AMD Patriot

AOPA's new magazine has an article on the Patriot.



Juan



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StolBrit

Joined: 18 Feb 2007
Posts: 7

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: Re: AMD Patriot

Thanks Juan, but like the guys at the beginning of the thread, I don't have access to a copy of the AOPA mag.  



I guess it will appear on the Zenair or AMD website in due course.



Regards,

blarson(at)meridianhouse.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: AMD Patriot

I just finished reading the AOPA article.... about 1.3 pages of text, 

three small pics of seats,console,front of cowl and one side view pic.



Bullet points:

    - to be a part 23 aircraft

    - engine: 0-200 only

    - Fits in LSA

    - price: $90-95K USD

    - very few specs in the article:

        VNE: 148k

        Cruise (at) ???: 118k

        Stall: 40k clean, 35k dirty

        Climb (at) gross 1100fpm



Juan Vega wrote:

[quote] 



 AOPA's new magazine has an article on the Patriot.



 Juan



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