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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Folks,



Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or 

Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt?



If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll 

compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated.



Steve

cloudcraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Steve,

 

 When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.

 

 It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there.

 

 I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.

 

 Wing Commander Gordon

 

   

 

   

 

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets!

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpon
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

I don’t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one  

   

Cheers  

   

   

     

Dr David Fitzgerald  

BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)  

CASA Medical Officer  

Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair  

Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer  

Registrar in Occupational Medicine  

DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com (DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com)  

mob 0438 312973  

        

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose

 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance  

  

       

WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets!

    

    

[b]Donnie Rose [/b]

 [b][b]205/492-8444[/b][/b]  

    

   

    

     

----- Original Message ----

 From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM

 Subject: Re: Weight & Balance    

Steve,

 

 When I was at Inter  Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.

 

 It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there.

 

 I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.

 

 Wing Commander Gordon  

    

   

    

   

  

-----Original Message-----

 From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm

 Subject: Weight & Balance    

--> Commander-List message posted by: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net (steve2(at)sover.net)> 

  

 Folks, 

  

 Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? 

  

 If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. 

  

 Steve  

  

    

        

  

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cloudcraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Donnie, Steve, All,

 

 I'll be uploading a rather clumsy Word.doc with a bunch of too-high density .bmp images embedded.   I made these back in 1995 and my equipment (brains and computer gear) was not used as efficiently as it could have been.

 

 Still, they'll be fairly universal across platforms and will be easy to edit/customize.

 

 Wing Commander Gordon

 

   

 

   

 

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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

David,

  

 The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice  sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to  have them. Thanks for sharing it.......

  

 I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can  rejigger it for our use here.

  

 Thanks guys,

  

 Steve

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment.

 Thanks,

 N69PT

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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steve2(at)sover.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

Donnie,

  

 That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David  down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to  read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it  along.....

  

 Steve

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

Yes Steve, I would like a tweaked copy, my metric is a little rusty!

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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steve2(at)sover.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

Well I goofed around a little with Excel and came  up with a simplified W&B spreadsheet based off the original from  David.

  

 Give it a test run and see if it  works.

  

 I did find that with our Commander, there are  loading scenarios that have us go too far forward in C.G with small quantities  of fuel just like Cmd Gordon said. I'll have to stop poking fun at our  cameraman's weight, because we apparently need the ballast. I did a couple test  runs with generic values of a Commander that doesn't have 300 pounds of gear in  the middle row, and it is harder to get a 500 out of sorts.

  

 The sheet is generic enough to where it should be  easily modified to fit many models. The sheet is 'Protected' so the  fumble-fingered among us can't hurt it, but there is no password so anyone can  modify the cells. Just go up to Tools, Protection, to protect and unprotect  sheet.

  

 So enter you empty weight and C.G. in blue  once.

  

 Then just modify yellow cells. It should print out  nice also......

  

 For the spreadsheet challenged, I could enter stuff  for you, but really, it's easy. If you haven't messed with these things before,  try it. They're neat..... I'm just scratching the surface, so if any of you  fellows are better, go ahead and make this a better thing......

  

 Hope the attachment makes it.

  

 Steve

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Jim Addington

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 62
Location: Denton, Texas

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

Donnie,  

I would like a copy in lbs and inches also.  

Thanks   

Jim Addington  

N444BD  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East

 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance  

  

     

Donnie,  

    

   

    

That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along.....  

    

   

    

Steve  

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wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.c
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Donnie,

 Likewise.

 Cheers,

 Bill Hamilton



 <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>



  



 



 At 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote:

 [quote] Donnie,

 I would like a copy in lbs and inches also.

 Thanks 

 Jim Addington

 N444BD

  

  

 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East

 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Weight & Balance

  

 Donnie,

  

 That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along.....

  

 Steve

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Cheers back at you big guy!

 By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in?

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Check it out on the website, Donnie.  

   

www.aerocommander.com  

   

Nico  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose

 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance  

  

       

Cheers back at you big guy!  

    

By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in?

    

    

[b]Donnie Rose [/b]

 [b][b]205/492-8444[/b][/b]  

    

   

    

     

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Thanks Nico, my naive arse didn't know there was such!

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one?

 By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride.

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: Weight & Balance

Jim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick this up and take care of it for you.  

Nico  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose

 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:10 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance  

  

       

Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one?  

    

By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride.

    

    

[b]Donnie Rose [/b]

 [b][b]205/492-8444[/b][/b]  

    

   

    

     

----- Original Message ----

 From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM

 Subject: RE: Weight & Balance    

Check it out on the website, Donnie.  

   

www.aerocommander.com  

   

Nico  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose

 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance  

  

       

Cheers back at you big guy!  

    

By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in?

    

    

[b]Donnie Rose [/b]

 [b][b]205/492-8444[/b][/b]  

    

   

    

     

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

all, we could make hand outs at the fly in of the w & b info and any others of interest. mason



 [quote]  From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Weight & Balance

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:58:42 -0700



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Jim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick this up and take care of it for you. 

Nico 

  

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose

Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:10 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Weight & Balance

 

    

Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one?

  

By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride.

 

  

[b]Donnie Rose [/b]

[b][b]205/492-8444[/b][/b]

  

 

  

   

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steve2(at)sover.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

Fellers,

  

 I'm glad to see the W&B spreadhseet taking on a life  of its own. I found the results very interesting.

  

 Just keep in mind I wrote it up as a quick draft after  swiping stuff from the TasAir sheet. But it isn't exactly the same sheet  anymore.

  

 It isn't a complicated sheet, but before this gets a  lot of circulation, how about reporting back after you've verified that it's  producing the results you expect. That way I can tweak it if need be before  finalizing.

  

 I had also though about trying to integrate the TO&L  distances calculator, and or a data entry page for multiple models.

  

 Steve

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: Weight & Balance

???

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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