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pelliott(at)innercite.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts, and photos of the same in other ‘virtual’ locations, my interest was piqued.   

So off to Google I go.   

I found and read Bob’s article on why “GMCjetpilot” was asked to leave and some other readings, which only caused me to dig deeper. ( as in scroll down the page.)  

   

So in order to help clarify the mystery surrounding the identity of ‘GMCJetpilot’ and possibly hurt T-shirt sales, I offer this:  “ http://www.myspace.com/gmcjetpilot  “  

   

   

       

  

Patrick Elliott

 

   

Not on GMCJetPilots friend list.  

   

541 297 0004  

   

     

  7/31/2007 5:26 PM

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r_dodson(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

LOL!  I think you have too much time on your hands! 

 Well, now we know that he is, at least, an engineer.  I could tell by the grammar and spelling.

 Rich

 Not on the friends list either....

  

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simon(at)synchronousdesig
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

I feel so sorry for Pammy and  Haley.

  

 Simon Ramirez, Aerocanard  Builder

 <?xml:namespace prefix = ns0 ns =  "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"  /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =  "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Oviedo, FL  32765   USA

  

 Copyright © 2007

  

  

  



   From:  owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Patrick Elliott

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:09  PM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject:  GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

 

  

After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts, and  photos of the same in other ‘virtual’ locations, my interest was piqued.   

So off to Google I go.  

I found and read Bob’s article on why “GMCjetpilot” was asked  to leave and some other readings, which only caused me to dig deeper. ( as in  scroll down the page.) 

  

So in order to help clarify the mystery surrounding the  identity of ‘GMCJetpilot’ and possibly hurt T-shirt sales, I offer this:   “ http://www.myspace.com/gmcjetpilot  “ 

  

  

    

 

Patrick Elliott

 

Not on GMCJetPilots friend list. 

 

541  297 0004 



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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

Perhaps they feel sorry for gmc  jetpilot'

 do not archive

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RV-6A
Aero Plantation
Weddington NC

Peter Laurence

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 50

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

Simon and others,

  

  

 Please stick to the List subject----- 

  

 or at least place a "do not archive"  Let's  keep the usuless bandwidth down!

  

  

 Peter Laurence

 

 

 [quote]   I feel so sorry for Pammy and    Haley.

    

   Simon Ramirez, Aerocanard    Builder

   Oviedo, FL  32765     USA

    

   Copyright © 2007

    

    

    



         From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)    [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of    Patrick Elliott

Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:09    PM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject:    GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

   

      

After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts, and    photos of the same in other ‘virtual’ locations, my interest was piqued.       

So off to Google I go.    

I found and read Bob’s article on why “GMCjetpilot” was    asked to leave and some other readings, which only caused me to dig deeper. (    as in scroll down the page.)   

    

So in order to help clarify the mystery surrounding the    identity of ‘GMCJetpilot’ and possibly hurt T-shirt sales, I offer this:     “ http://www.myspace.com/gmcjetpilot  “   

    

    

          

   

Patrick Elliott

   

Not on GMCJetPilots friend list.   

   

541    297 0004   



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rob(at)hyperion-ef.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

Just because one knuckle dragging mechanical engineer ain’t got no good English is no reason to tar us erudite engineers with the same brush   

   

DO NOT ARCHIVE  

     

Best regards,  

   

Rob Housman  

Irvine, California  

Europa XS Tri-Gear  

S/N A070  

Airframe complete  

  

       

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich Dodson

 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:00 PM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..  

  

  

       

LOL!  I think you have too much time on your hands!   

    

Well, now we know that he is, at least, an engineer.  I could tell by the grammar and spelling.  

    

Rich  

    

Not on the friends list either....  

    

   

    

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gmcjetpilot

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 170

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

>Patrick Elliott  

     >Subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..  

     >  

     >After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts,   

     >and photos of the same in other 'virtual' locations, my  

     >interest was piqued. 

  



  Dear Pat: 

  

You seem obsessed with me?  Should I alert the authorities?  

If any thing happens to me it's Patrick.... 

  

BTW, I saw the Tee-shirt and love it. Laughed my tail  

off. The guy wore the t-shirt because people last year asked  

if he was me. He must be hansom. lol. I get a cut of sales!

  

Dude, what would possess you to write this and waste every  

one's time? What have I done to you? Relevance to aircraft  

wiring is  what? Are you just making trouble and instigating? I  

not impressed. Shame on you. You are "piqued", really? You  

are the curious one. 

  

Bob and I had a riff in the past, but all has been well for  

months since I learned my lesson; I may not be smart but its  

obvious the solution is to not comment, reply or debate any  

of Bob's post. I got it! 

  

I realize now the debates where only about tearing people  

down and discrediting them. I should have known better than  

to get suckered into these endless urination matches. It  

never was about clarifying or communication, it's baiting and  

argument, ostensibly to ridicule or dis-credit. Just look at the  

manifesto on Bob's web site. I suppose I could get my lawyer  

since I did not give him permission, but why would any one  

spend so much time twisting words around? Its just simple  

DC  wiring. I see the motive; its not about an honest debate. 

  

Now I don't hold grudges. I could get mad at some of the  

comments made towards me and others. One of my earlier  

post on aeroelectric Bob let me know he has contempt for  

engineers (or persons with engineering degrees)? "I would  

never hire an engineer". It sounded like a personal problem.  

That should have been a clue to bail. 

  

Who knew going to college was a waste of time and made  

you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the technical  

edge. Other countries have more engineering grads and  

they are beating us technically, but let live, forgive and  

forget, right. People are dying in Iraq, bridge collapse....   

This is suppose to be fun. 

  

This is old news Patrick, you should move on. I like to learn,  

share information and deal in facts and scientific data, not  all  

this baloney. You posted this, to just say to me, I don't like  

you, is really immature baloney. Lets talk about airplanes for  

gosh sakes. 

  

  

   

     >I found and read Bob's article on why "GMCjetpilot" was 

     >asked to leave and some other readings, which only caused 

     >me to dig deeper.

 

“Caused me to Dig deeper”? Stalker? Weird. You're referring  

to "the manifesto"? That's also old news also.

 

Are you referring to the last blow up, when I said IR  

alternators be turned on BEFORE engine start and the fur  

ball round of posts that ensued, which was unpleasant? Yea  

I said internally regulated alternators should be turned on  

before start. What was I thinking?

 

After 5 calls to regulator manufactures and designers, plus  

friends who  damaged their alternator by turning them on/off  

while spinning under load, I came to my conclusion. I should  

have left my comments with out debate or defense. Go  

ahead, flip the ALT on after start, off before shut-down under  

load, its your alternator. (This applies to stock IR ND's, not  

plane-power units, which are wired differently than stock.) 

  

Again, in the future I'll not reply, respond or debate Bob. Its  

not a contest.  

  

If I make a comment or suggestion, they will stand alone.  

People who understand or appreciate my post/input will  

accept them it. Others that want to fight, argue, dismiss and  

ridicule my comments. Feel free. You will tango alone. 

  

One post per topic and given with out defense. If you want  

the full meal deal explanation of my research, data and  

supporting facts, write me. No mystery, ask, I don't  bite. 

  

I don't know why Bob and I can't talk? One of my first post,  

Bob let me know he hates engineers. "I would never hire an  

engineer." Who knew going to college was a waste of time  

and makes you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the  

technical edge. It sounded like a personal problem.  

  

When Bob wrote the diatribe and posted it on his site, it  

starts with a quote of mine (out of context). "No offense to  

Bob, but OV relays are a step backwards." That comment is  

true in my opinion. We have better options, Plane-Power,  

either their internal or externally regulated alternators. If you  

have a stock internally regulated alternator and if you feel  

you must have extra OV protection....SELL IT and buy a  

plane-power unit. It's common sense. If you really care about  

the BEST, than buy the best, but don't BAND AID  it.  

However a good quality stock unit is very reliable and  

unlikely to ever fail in a severe over voltage condition, but if  

you need it because your panel is expensive/sensitive or  

your operations are critical (IFR) than don't mess around  

with OV relays. 

  

BTW I just found out Plane-Power will have an external  

voltage regulator soon. I currently suggest the Transpo  

V1200, OV protected voltage regulator for external  

regulation. I do not work for P-P, but I looked into getting into  

the business of making alternators for homebuilts years ago.  

I gave up when I say what plane-power was doing. The did it  

right with proper rotation fans, high altitude brushes,  

corrosion protection and in-house manufacture of critical  

parts. (B&C is a fine company that Bob has had or has a  

relationship with. I just think Plane-Power offers  better value,  

sorry only an opinion.) 

  

Don't put a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches. 

  

I take full responsibility for my words and have got mad at  

Bob and gave him a few digs, but it takes two tango. I  

stopped dancing long ago. I realize now the debates where  

only about tearing people down and discrediting them. I  

should have known better than to get suckered into these  

endless urination matches. Nuff said. 

  

Folks lighten up, this is fun stuff, learning and sharing. I  

support & appreciate every ones effort 100%, except all the  

waste of time arguing for argument sake. 

  

  

  

     >Patrick Elliott Not on GMCJetPilots friend list. 

  

I'll have to go on without you on my friends list? Life will  

go on but will miss you Patrick "piqued" Ellliottt. I'll get a   

t-shirt so you can find me at the airshow and tell me off in  

person. 27 years ago I started building my first kit plane,  

folks where real nice than, helpful and supportive. It would  

be nice to get back to those days. 

  

Flame suit and asbestos underwear on. 

  

Cheers



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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

So This Pat guy writes a couple lines and we get  this?

 Talk about self obsessed. Dude, put the mirror  down.



   From:  owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com

Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50  PM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re:  GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

 

      >Patrick Elliott   

     >Subject: GMCjetpilot  T-shirts..  

     >   

     >After seeing multiple comments about these T  shirts,   

     >and photos of the same in  other 'virtual' locations, my  

     >interest  was piqued. 

  



 Dear Pat: 

  

You seem obsessed with me?  Should  I alert the authorities?  

If any thing happens to me it's Patrick....  

  

BTW, I saw the Tee-shirt and love it. Laughed my tail   

off. The guy wore the t-shirt because people last year asked  

if he  was me. He must be hansom. lol. I get a cut of sales!

  

Dude, what  would possess you to write this and waste every  

one's time? What have  I done to you? Relevance to aircraft  

wiring is what? Are you just  making trouble and instigating? I  

not impressed. Shame on you. You are  "piqued", really? You  

are the curious one. 

  

Bob and I  had a riff in the past, but all has been well for  

months since I  learned my lesson; I may not be smart but its  

obvious the solution is  to not comment, reply or debate any  

of Bob's post. I got it!  

  

I realize now the debates where only about tearing people   

down and discrediting them. I should have known better than  

to get  suckered into these endless urination matches. It  

never was about  clarifying or communication, it's baiting and  

argument, ostensibly to  ridicule or dis-credit. Just look at the  

manifesto on Bob's web site.  I suppose I could get my lawyer  

since I did not give him permission,  but why would any one  

spend so much time twisting words around? Its  just simple  

DC wiring. I see the motive; its not about an honest  debate. 

  

Now I don't hold grudges. I could get mad at some of  the  

comments made towards me and others. One of my earlier   

post on aeroelectric Bob let me know he has contempt for  

engineers  (or persons with engineering degrees)? "I would  

never hire an  engineer". It sounded like a personal problem.  

That should have been a  clue to bail. 

  

Who knew going to college was a waste of time and  made  

you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the technical   

edge. Other countries have more engineering grads and  

they are  beating us technically, but let live, forgive and  

forget, right.  People are dying in Iraq, bridge collapse....   

This is suppose to  be fun. 

  

This is old news Patrick, you should move on. I like to  learn,  

share information and deal in facts and scientific data, not  all  

this baloney. You posted this, to just say to me, I don't  like  

you, is really immature baloney. Lets talk about airplanes  for  

gosh sakes. 

  

  

    

     >I found and read Bob's article on why  "GMCjetpilot" was 

     >asked to leave and some other  readings, which only caused 

     >me to dig  deeper.

 

“Caused me to Dig deeper”? Stalker? Weird. You're  referring  

to "the manifesto"? That's also old news  also.

 

Are you referring to the last blow up, when I said IR   

alternators be turned on BEFORE engine start and the fur  

ball  round of posts that ensued, which was unpleasant? Yea  

I said  internally regulated alternators should be turned on  

before start.  What was I thinking?

 

After 5 calls to regulator manufactures and  designers, plus  

friends who damaged their alternator by turning them  on/off  

while spinning under load, I came to my conclusion. I  should  

have left my comments with out debate or defense. Go   

ahead, flip the ALT on after start, off before shut-down under   

load, its your alternator. (This applies to stock IR ND's, not   

plane-power units, which are wired differently than stock.) 

   

Again, in the future I'll not reply, respond or debate Bob. Its   

not a contest.  

  

If I make a comment or suggestion, they  will stand alone.  

People who understand or appreciate my post/input  will  

accept them it. Others that want to fight, argue, dismiss  and  

ridicule my comments. Feel free. You will tango alone. 

   

One post per topic and given with out defense. If you want  

the  full meal deal explanation of my research, data and  

supporting facts,  write me. No mystery, ask, I don't bite. 

  

I don't know why Bob and  I can't talk? One of my first post,  

Bob let me know he hates  engineers. "I would never hire an  

engineer." Who knew going to college  was a waste of time  

and makes you retarded. This is why the USA is  losing the  

technical edge. It sounded like a personal problem.   

  

When Bob wrote the diatribe and posted it on his site, it   

starts with a quote of mine (out of context). "No offense to  

Bob,  but OV relays are a step backwards." That comment is  

true in my  opinion. We have better options, Plane-Power,  

either their internal or  externally regulated alternators. If you  

have a stock internally  regulated alternator and if you feel  

you must have extra OV  protection....SELL IT and buy a  

plane-power unit. It's common sense.  If you really care about  

the BEST, than buy the best, but don't BAND  AID it.  

However a good quality stock unit is very reliable and   

unlikely to ever fail in a severe over voltage condition, but if   

you need it because your panel is expensive/sensitive or  

your  operations are critical (IFR) than don't mess around  

with OV relays.  

  

BTW I just found out Plane-Power will have an external   

voltage regulator soon. I currently suggest the Transpo  

V1200, OV  protected voltage regulator for external  

regulation. I do not work for  P-P, but I looked into getting into  

the business of making alternators  for homebuilts years ago.  

I gave up when I say what plane-power was  doing. The did it  

right with proper rotation fans, high altitude  brushes,  

corrosion protection and in-house manufacture of  critical  

parts. (B&C is a fine company that Bob has had or has  a  

relationship with. I just think Plane-Power offers better  value,  

sorry only an opinion.) 

  

Don't put a band-aid on  a cut that needs stitches. 

  

I take full responsibility for my  words and have got mad at  

Bob and gave him a few digs, but it takes  two tango. I  

stopped dancing long ago. I realize now the debates  where  

only about tearing people down and discrediting them. I   

should have known better than to get suckered into these  

endless  urination matches. Nuff said. 

  

Folks lighten up, this is fun  stuff, learning and sharing. I  

support & appreciate every ones  effort 100%, except all the  

waste of time arguing for argument sake.  

  

  

  

     >Patrick  Elliott Not on GMCJetPilots friend list. 

  

I'll have to go on  without you on my friends list? Life will  

go on but will  miss you Patrick "piqued" Ellliottt. I'll get a  

t-shirt so you can  find me at the airshow and tell me off in  

person. 27 years ago I  started building my first kit plane,  

folks where real nice than,  helpful and supportive. It would  

be nice to get back to those days.  

  

Flame suit and asbestos underwear on. 

  

Cheers

 

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CH640 builder
SN: 0078

"Just think how stupid the average person is,
and then realize that half of them are even stupider!"
--George Carlin

henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

Dear Mr. McQueen,



Apparently you make it a habit of getting suckered into these urination matches you talk about below.  Check out the YouTube rant to find out what kind of "debate" you started there against the French and Canadians:



  http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=p-9oZO7WJzA&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3Dp-9oZO7WJzA



They're talking about a nice song in French and Spanish, and you chime right in with derrogatory, unrelated comment.



Cheers



Hen



DO NOT ARCHIVE



From: 

owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com 

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 

gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com

Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 

PM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 

GMCjetpilot T-shirts..





 I realize now the debates where only about tearing people  



down and discrediting them. I should have known better than  

to get 

suckered into these endless urination matches. It  

never was about 

clarifying or communication, it's baiting and  

argument, ostensibly to 

ridicule or dis-credit.

nuckollsr(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

At 09:41 AM 8/5/2007 -0400, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  So This Pat guy writes a couple lines and we get this?

Talk about self obsessed. Dude, put the mirror down.

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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com 

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 

gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com

Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 PM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

      >Patrick Elliott

      >Subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

      >

      >After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts,

      >and photos of the same in other 'virtual' locations, my

      >interest was piqued.

Dear Pat:

You seem obsessed with me?  Should I alert the authorities?

If any thing happens to me it's Patrick....

   <snip>

   Gentlemen, this List should be for the posting, sifting

   and assemblage of simple-ideas into repeatable experiments.

   The IDEAS should be subject to intense scrutiny for the

   purpose of gaining understanding and ultimately deciding

   whether or not the idea is useful or even correct.

   By carrying this thread beyond the simple notice

   that someone was publicly advertising his/her

   personal projections about another person does

   not speak well of us. I'll suggest that we each

   endeavor to evaluate things said of us under the

   microscope of personal critical review. Nobody knows

   you better than you. When evaluating something

   said of you, it's either (1) true and worthy

   of further consideration or (2) false and not

   worthy of further consideration beyond a simple

   defense. Hence, none of us needs to fall victim

   to feelings of injury or insult.

   When we make the conversations about people, there

   is no value to be added anywhere, no repeatable

   experiment to be identified except to demonstrate

   what has already been shown: Some folks are

   unwilling or incapable of entering into critical

   thought without projecting their own vision

   (usually negative) of others thus driving the

   conversation out of the practical and into the personal.

   Folks who speak the truth about you are teachers.

   Those who do not have a dishonorable agenda or

   a socio-pathological condition.

   We should strive for accurate and factual in

   defense against an conscious agenda for this is honorable

   behavior. But to make fun of those who may not be able

   to help themselves does not speak well of us.

   Bob . . .

cnpeters

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 23
Location: Bloomington/Normal, IL

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..

George,

Please don't get caught up in this drivel. Some of us appreciate your 

long and thoughtful responses. After a year of reading these posts, I 

notice you put a bit of time and effort into them. Beats the "check the 

archives" that many write. It is up to the builder to read, further 

research, learn, and decide on the matters brought forward. There will 

always be differing opinions - just today read Greg Richter's booklet 

and saw his lecture at Osh. There were some obvious differences in 

aircraft electrical system design compared to the philosophies of Mr. 

Nuckolls (what a wonderful teacher after spending a year perusing his 

writings). It is up to ME  as a newbie to decide which is best, more 

accurate and will best fit my needs. Whether I end up agreeing with your 

opinion on a topic matters not. But I do appreciate anyone who spends 

the time and effort as you do. Thanks for your contributions and please 

keep them up.

Carl

PS - My apologies to the group for furthering this thread, but things 

were getting a little nasty. I know most of you share the fellowship 

that usually pervades these posts and what I saw amongst RV'ers at Osh.

_________________
Carl Peters
RV-9A wings

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