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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: closing wing

Hello, all

Any recommendations on the order of riveting the wing skins?



The old CH601-HD manual says the top skin should go first, so you can adjust any imperfections from underneath, before installing the bottom skin. 

All input welcome, particularly from -HD and -HDS builders.



Thanks in advance



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: Re: closing wing

I'm pretty sure I did the bottom first but even looking at the photos on my web site I can't swear to it.

 	  carlossa52(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  Hello, all

Any recommendations on the order of riveting the wing skins?



The old CH601-HD manual says the top skin should go first, so you can adjust any imperfections from underneath, before installing the bottom skin. 

All input welcome, particularly from -HD and -HDS builders.



Thanks in advance



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans

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Jeyoung65(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: closing wing

Hi Carlos, I am building a 601HD from plans. Do not think it  will make much difference which one is installed first but I did the bottom  first. No problems. But let me suggest you check the "L" angles for the main  gear slides location before you close the center section using the 3/4" steel  tubes. I used 3/4 wood and had a little problem when I started to install the  gears, "L" angles too close and had to file them -hard-. Also had a little  problem aligning the gear tube in the bushings.   Jerry -  GA 



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rduns(at)sasktel.net
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: closing wing

Regarding closing the wing, I can't offer any suggestion beyond the 601HD 

manual which suggests riveting top skin first.  But I can offer my 

experience as follows.  I riveted the top of wing first, then riveted the 

bottom skin as suggested in the manual but did not rivet the aileron (rear 

edge of skin).  Now I find a slight ripple in the top skin along the rear 

edge when I try to attach the aileron to the wing.  I am planning to remove 

most of the rivets in top skin and resecure with clecos to ensure alignment 

before final riveting.  Perhaps I should have clecoed the entire top skin, 

riveted all but the rear rivet line, and left the clecos in the rear rivet 

line until  the bottom skin was riveted, then rivet the rear top skin rivet 

line when ready to install the aileron.

 Hope this is not too confusing.



Bob D.

601HD/Corvair

Melfort, Sask.

ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: closing wing

I did the top first per the photo guide.



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Peter Barthold

Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 25
Location: Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: closing wing

Hi Carlos,



I just closed the bottom of my left HDS wing. The reason to do this against the advice of the manual was the need to stow away both wings. I found it easier to place them securely on their finished bottoms. I can't close them fully since  they have to wait for inspection. 

Second: I need to get the wings off the table before I can start on the ailerons. To align them properly might be easier with the top skin still accessable.

btw: I also have to do the wing locker doors. Yours look really great, I played around with the idea of having these nice fasteners...as always you're way ahead of me...  



Greetings from Germany

Peter Barthold

HDS TDO

Tail done wings in progress

larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: closing wing

Hi Peter,

I'd recommend you place the wing forward of the area you assemble the 

aileron so that you can trim to fit progressively.

The ends of the wing and clearance for movement are otherwise difficult 

to match up.  Drawings alone sometimes don't quite do it.

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/ailerons/full/hingealign.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/ailerons/full/leftendrearview.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/ailerons/full/leftinsideend.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/ailerons/full/inbrdtrimedge.gif

Good luck,

Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



Peter Barthold wrote:

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 Hi Carlos,



 I just closed the bottom of my left HDS wing. The reason to do this against the advice of the manual was the need to stow away both wings. I found it easier to place them securely on their finished bottoms. I can't close them fully since  they have to wait for inspection. 

 Second: I need to get the wings off the table before I can start on the ailerons. To align them properly might be easier with the top skin still accessable.

 btw: I also have to do the wing locker doors. Yours look really great, I played around with the idea of having these nice fasteners...as always you're way ahead of me... [Laughing] 



 Greetings from Germany

 Peter Barthold

 HDS TDO

 Tail done wings in progress

Peter Barthold

Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 25
Location: Germany

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: Re: closing wing

Larry, 



thanks for this tip, I didn't think about it

>I'd recommend you place the wing forward of the area you assemble the

>aileron so that you can trim to fit progressively

What really amazes me all the time :



 how in the world do you always have the correct pictures at hand in the correct stage of build    

Did you wear a camera helmet during your building hours or what   

I really try to keep visual evidence track on my building but I am far away from you yet...let alone finding the right pics again....

Greetings from Germany



Peter

larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: closing wing

Peter Barthold wrote:

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 Larry, 



 thanks for this tip, I didn't think about it



   

 What really amazes me all the time :



  how in the world do you always have the correct pictures at hand in the correct stage of build   [Shocked] 

 Did you wear a camera helmet during your building hours or what  [Laughing] 

 I really try to keep visual evidence track on my building but I am far away from you yet...let alone finding the right pics again....

 Greetings from Germany



 Peter



   

Hi Peter,
	


 As a designer from weapons, structural systems and material handling, 

the 601 was one of the best projects I've ever been involved in. 

My web site only repeats what I'd found so useful on other Zenith 

builder sites and it nearly got out of hand. Pleased you find my site a 

worthwhile visit. 

There are lots of things I've tried to improve in there that make 

handling, transport, weight & balance, etc., easier, but the credit goes 

to Chris Heintz

for providing the momentum of such a great light plane.



This plane is such a joy to fly!



Take care,

Larry McFarland

www.macsmachine.com

amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: closing wing

Larry,

your macsmachines website has been a great help to my project this past year.  I used your idea of the screw on Panel top and its proved a good choice.  Thank you for your website.



Juan Vega



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