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valleyauto(at)clearwire.n
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Flying at night

Hi all I have a Yak 52 on the operation limitation  it says day VFR only. If I install nav & strobe lights can it be  flown at night ?

  

  

    Thanks 

   

    Don  Milbourn

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: Flying at night

Don,

 The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part  91 says;

  

(c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight  at night, the following instruments and equipment are required:  

(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this  section.  (You should already have all the  required instruments and equipment - Day VFR) 

(2) Approved position lights.  

(3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on  all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially  installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate was  issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the  anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as  applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color may be  either aviation red or aviation white. In the  event of failure of any light of the anticollision light system, operations with  the aircraft may be continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be  made.  

(4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.   (Not Applicable) 

(5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed electrical and  radio equipment.   

(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that  are accessible to the pilot in flight.  (Circuit Breakers should meet this  requirement) 

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rvfltd(at)televar.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: Flying at night

Guys,

 The root problem is still the same as it has been for years.  There is NO " standard" at the Flight Standards offices throughout the US.  Some are good some are bad.   The are all run as individual thief dooms with each guy forcing his own will and personal reading of the FARs upon those fortunate or unfortunate enough to live in his area.  I have seem copy of ops letter so crazy that it was obvious that the writer was applying jet rules to the Yak.  One letter said that flights out of the pro area for lower fuel prices were authorized, my own op letter says "Flights out of the proficiency area for the sake of proficiency are authorized".  HUH??   Sorry to be so negative but that's just the way it is, and until we can get our local FSDO to ask for a clarification if they don't understand we won't have any "standard" or continuity of rule and regs.  They seem to take it VERY personally if you buck them and they make it VERY clear that your better think twice about pushing to hard.  Paperwork gets delayed, minutia suddenly becomes of paramount importance.  When did you say you wanted to fly your aircraft...........?  So YES you can show them the regs and YES you are probably correct, but you have made them look bad, the Chinese call it loosing face, and trust me you WILL pay a price for your being right unless you are VERY diplomatic.  The best way I have found is to gather copies of several good ops letters and submit them with you paperwork citing the FAR for each, takes a bit of work on your part and actually saves him a bunch of work.  It also gives him a real clear picture of not only the facts but what other FSDO's are doing as well.  

 

 Always yakin,

 Doug

 

  Dennis Savarese wrote:

 [quote]            Don,

   The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part 91 says;

         

(c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following instruments and equipment are required:       

(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section.  (You should already have all the required instruments and equipment - Day VFR)      

(2) Approved position lights.    

(3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or aviation white. In the event of failure of any light of the anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made.      

(4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.  (Not Applicable)      

(5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed electrical and radio equipment.     

(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that are accessible to the pilot in flight.  (Circuit Breakers should meet this requirement)   

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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: Flying at night

On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Don,

 The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part 91 says;


	


But if his limitations say "day VFR only" then he has to get that  

changed too.



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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: Flying at night

Many OL's say something like the following:

"Unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with FAR 91.205, this aircraft shall be operated Day VFR only."  Mine does.  If it does not say that, then Brian is spot on and the OL's would have to be amended regardless of the fact that you installed the equipment required by 91.205.

Dennis



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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: Flying at night

On Aug 4, 2007, at 1:18 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Many OL's say something like the following:

 "Unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight  

 in accordance with FAR 91.205, this aircraft shall be operated Day  

 VFR only."  Mine does.


	


Yes, this is what a properly-worded OL should say.



 	  Quote: 	
		   If it does not say that, then Brian is spot on and the OL's would  

 have to be amended regardless of the fact that you installed the  

 equipment required by 91.205.


	


Right-o.



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

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I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

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l39parts(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: Flying at night

You got lots of advice, some of it half true.   Nearly all experimental 

aircraft are limited to VFR during phase 1.

Step 1- see what paragraph number says VFR only.  Step 2- read the paragraph 

that starts out with something like "AFTER phase 1, the following 

limitations apply" and see if the number corresponding to VFR only is 

listed.  If it isn't, then you only need to verify you have the equipment 

part 91 requires to fly at night.  Do not talk to any feds.



If the VFR paragraph number IS listed, then you need to get your ops limits 

corrected (I'd suggest seeking advice before you go to see the feds because 

there is a right way and several wrong ways to do this).

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		  From: "Don Milbourn" <valleyauto(at)clearwire.net>

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Subject: Flying at night

Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:35:53 -0600



Hi all I have a Yak 52 on the operation limitation it says day VFR only. If 

I install nav & strobe lights can it be flown at night ?

    Thanks



    Don Milbourn


	


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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: Flying at night

According to the EAA, here's the right way to change/convert your present 

OL's.

http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/govt/articles/How%20to%20Convert%20to.html?

Dennis



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