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LHusky(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test DVD's  that they want to sell, rent, lend etc.  I have to pass the test before I  can solo.  I hate to buy something that I will probably only use  once.  If you can help, let me know.  I need to get studying.   This is what my instructor wants me to study.  

  

 Larry Husky 

 601XL \ Corvair

 Just finished moving

 Time to build again!



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psm(at)ATT.NET
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Hi Larry,



 I don't have the DVDs you want, so don't let my message get you excited.  I just want to comment on the training requirement you face.



 I was fortunate to be at a college with Air Force ROTC when I was working on getting my private license way back in the 1960's.  That allowed me to sign up for the Private Pilot Ground School as a college class.  Not only did I get college credit for the "Free" class which ran a full semester, but it was taught by a senior Air Force pilot who really knew his stuff and enjoyed teaching it too.  Perhaps the King DVD set is the best alternative available to you for the same training.



 My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test before solo would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and immediately find another instructor.  This is (in my opinion) an outrageous requirement.  You don't need all the information from the ground school to be safe for solo flight.  Indeed, I think some of the lessons would be more interesting and easy to understand after you are in the situation where you might encounter actual flights involving the information studied.  You really don't need to know all the ins and outs of airport light systems, chart reading, radio navigation, and weather systems to do circuits and bumps in the traffic pattern.



 I don't think it would hurt any student to do the whole ground school before any flight.  Also, I don't think it would be a problem to complete the ground school after achieving the skills needed for solo flight and local practice flying.  



 Just my opinion.



 Paul

 XL fuselage

 do not archive



 

 At 10:35 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:

 [quote]Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc.  I have to pass the test before I can solo.  I hate to buy something that I will probably only use once.  If you can help, let me know.  I need to get studying.  This is what my instructor wants me to study.  

  

 Larry Husky 

 601XL \ Corvair

 Just finished moving

 Time to build again!

 



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crvsecretary

Joined: 18 Mar 2007
Posts: 38
Location: Naugatuck, CT

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:46 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Hello Paul:

  

 I'm not absolutely sure I agree with you on this one;  as I see it  this 'requirement' is not so much about knowledge but more about ability and  motivation.  This requirement is not so different than having a 3rd class  medical in your pocket before getting seriously deep in flight instruction - it  makes no sense to go further if the struggle is for naught.

  

 As for motivation, this is a discretion call.  Everybody has known the  guy with great 'stick & rudder' skills but cannot test well, or the young  student that 'just wants to fly' and has little interest in the knowledge  test.  Surprisingly, the young students that are conditioned to learn would  probably have an easier time with the knowledge test than us old-timers!

  

 Indeed, if I was a CFI and had a builder come to me looking for primary  instruction, I don't think there would be any issue indeed on the motivation  scale!!!!

  

 Tracy Smith

 N458XL (reserved) 601XL

  

  

  

  

  

  

 In a message dated 8/6/2007 6:06:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, psm(at)ATT.NET  writes:

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		  My    reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test before solo    would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and immediately find another    instructor.  This is (in my opinion) an outrageous requirement.  You    don't need all the information from the ground school to be safe for solo    flight.  Indeed, I think some of the lessons would be more interesting    and easy to understand after you are in the situation where you might    encounter actual flights involving the information studied.  You really    don't need to know all the ins and outs of airport light systems, chart    reading, radio navigation, and weather systems to do circuits and bumps in the    traffic pattern.

	


 

  



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kensmith(at)springnet1.co
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

It is suprising to me how many people put the flying aspect as priority over knowledge of flying. As a forty year CFIA/II I have watched as students who soloed prior to passing their 24 calendar month written, have never finished up with their Private Certificate.

 Why?

 Paul, you were fortunate enough to be in a full time classroom orientation which allowed you to work on both the written and practical at the same time. It comes easy that way. If you were only able to fly at the most a one or two hour practice sessions a week like most students do, you would find out that a great deal of time is spent at each session to renew your knowledge of information you learned from the last sessions prior to the present one. 

 Students like to fly as opposed to studying and reading information. No one likes to study if they don't have to. It is a known fact that a student with prior knowledge of aviation becomes a better pilot and easier to train in the long run. 

 Therefore it has become a practice and a recommendation from the FAA to consider requiring the student to pass their knowledge test prior to solo. Students seem to combine the knowledge they have learned much better when they have that information instilled in their minds when they are turned loose in a solo situation. There is also a motive to finish your flight training when you know that you have less than 24 calendar months to finish up or have to take your knowledge test over again.

 

 Ken Smith

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 Paul Mulwitz wrote: [quote]Hi Larry,

   

 I don't have the DVDs you want, so don't let my message get you excited.  I just want to comment on the training requirement you face.

   

 I was fortunate to be at a college with Air Force ROTC when I was working on getting my private license way back in the 1960's.  That allowed me to sign up for the Private Pilot Ground School as a college class.  Not only did I get college credit for the "Free" class which ran a full semester, but it was taught by a senior Air Force pilot who really knew his stuff and enjoyed teaching it too.  Perhaps the King DVD set is the best alternative available to you for the same training.

   

 My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test before solo would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and immediately find another instructor.  This is (in my opinion) an outrageous requirement.  You don't need all the information from the ground school to be safe for solo flight.  Indeed, I think some of the lessons would be more interesting and easy to understand after you are in the situation where you might encounter actual flights involving the information studied.  You really don't need to know all the ins and outs of airport light systems, chart reading, radio navigation, and weather systems to do circuits and bumps in the traffic pattern.

   

 I don't think it would hurt any student to do the whole ground school before any flight.  Also, I don't think it would be a problem to complete the ground school after achieving the skills needed for solo flight and local practice flying.  

   

 Just my opinion.

   

 Paul

 XL fuselage

 do not archive

   

   

 At 10:35 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		  Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc.  I have to pass the test before I can solo.  I hate to buy something that I will probably only use once.  If you can help, let me know.  I need to get studying.  This is what my instructor wants me to study.  

  

 Larry Husky 

 601XL \ Corvair

 Just finished moving

 Time to build again!

     

     

   

	
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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

I bought the King Private Pilot course on E-bay a few years back.

I see one up for auction now. Try going to http://www.ebay.com/   and put 

130139521701 in the search window.



Rick Pitcher

 	  Quote: 	
		   Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test DVD's 

 that

 they want to sell, rent, lend etc.  I have to pass the test before I  can

 solo.  I hate to buy something that I will probably only use  once.  If 

 you can

 help, let me know.  I need to get studying.   This is what my instructor 

 wants

 me to study.



 Larry Husky

 601XL \ Corvair

 Just finished moving

 Time to build again!



 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour




	




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alhays(at)hickoryhillfarm
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Larry,

I considered the King Schools material when preparing for a flight  

review after not having flown for over 15 years but found that they  

require a PC Windows system and not Mac friendly.  But they do seem to  

be highly regarded.  That said, I am surprised that a flight instructor  

would require you to buy or borrow a DVD program and to pass the PPL  

written exam before solo.  If you are not using a Mac and decide to go  

with the King Schools material, don't forget that they are licensed for  

single use - not to be sold to a third party.  If you manage to get a  

King DVD loaned or given to you, keep in mind that while laws of  

physics don't change, rules, regulations, and procedures can.  Better  

to get it direct from King and have the most up to date version along  

with any supplements.  I'd still look for an instructor who could  

effectively give ground instruction and steer you to the best written  

study guides and reference books.  I'm almost due for another two year  

flight review and would sit through a private pilot ground school as a  

refresher if there was one locally available, but there seems to be  

less demand for them now than 25 years ago.  So back to the books in  

addition to the online courses and materials from AOPA.  Should be less  

of a challenge after I get a plane finished and flying regularly.  My  

apology for all the unsolicited info and advice.



Al

CH701&601XL\Corvair



On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:35 AM, LHusky(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test  

 DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc.  I have to pass the test  

 before I can solo.  I hate to buy something that I will probably only  

 use once.  If you can help, let me know.  I need to get studying.   

 This is what my instructor wants me to study. 

  

 Larry Husky

 601XL \ Corvair

 Just finished moving

 Time to build again!



 lcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982"  

 href="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/? 

 ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982" target="_blank">AOL.com.

skyguynca

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 128

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Having passed the written before solo is a FAA  requirement.

  

  

 David Mikesell

230 Theresa Drive, #6

Cloverdale, CA  95425

209-224-4485

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skyguynca

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 128

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Well, I shouldn't say requirement but a  recommendation from the FAA. Also for some flight schools (like the one I went  to) their insurance required it.

  

 David Mikesell

230 Theresa Drive, #6

Cloverdale, CA  95425

209-224-4485

skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com (skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com)

www.skyguynca.com

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klr12(at)psu.edu
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

The only thing that's required by the FAA for solo is an endorsement 

from your instructor and a class 3 medical or driver's license. The 

instructor has to make sure the student is knowledgeable in FAA rules 

and regulations which he can do with a written or oral  test.

                                                                                                                       

Kevin Rupert

rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Al, are you sure about not being able to sell your software after you're 

done with it? I thought the license allowed resale, but it can only be used 

on one computer at a time: you can't sell a copy and keep a copy for 

yourself.



 	  Quote: 	
		     If you are not using a Mac and decide to go  with the King Schools 

 material, don't forget that they are licensed for  single use - not to be 

 sold to a third party.

rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

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alhays(at)hickoryhillfarm
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

"R.P.",

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what it says on the King Schools website.  

Of course you would be able to sell it, but being able to doesn't mean 

it would be either legal or ethical.

You'll find King Schools' policy and info at:   

www.kingschools.com/UsedCourses.asp

It says, in part:  "3. Licensed for Single Use -- All KING Courses are 

copyrighted and protected by federal laws. The computer discs are 

licensed only for single individual use and may not be sold to a third 

party. This is the same as almost all intellectual properties on 

computer discs such as the software on your computer."

Even if the wording of the actual license agreement (I haven't seen it) 

doesn't prohibit resale, I know the resale would be wrong and don't 

believe it would be much of a bargain to the buyer.  If someone really 

needs that software, they should have an up to date version and be able 

to get updates and/or support from King Schools.

Al

On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:18 PM, R.P. wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Al, are you sure about not being able to sell your software after 

 you're done with it? I thought the license allowed resale, but it can 

 only be used on one computer at a time: you can't sell a copy and keep 

 a copy for yourself.

>   If you are not using a Mac and decide to go  with the King Schools 

> material, don't forget that they are licensed for  single use - not 

> to be sold to a third party.

paulried(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

Actually, you cannot resell the King Courses.  You buy a license to the

software, not the software.  There is an activation code that only works

once.  



I have the King Instrument DVD software and it says:



Section 1) "Ownership of the Software:  This computer software and all

related content contained in the course is licensed to you, not sold to

you..."

Section 2)  "  You may use the Software for your own personal, individual

self-study only on a single computer"

Section 3F) "You many not transfer ownership or use of this license to

another person.  Any attempt to transfer the license terminates your right

to use the software"



It is a pretty standard software license.   Most people are under the

impression they can resell any software, but that is rarely the case.



The Kings make great courses so I feel they deserve to get paid for every

pilot they help train.



Paul Riedlinger

paulried(at)rogers.com



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paulried(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: Ground School DVD's

The "enrollment password" can only be used once and stops the resale of the

software.  I had a computer die and tried to reinstall the software.  You

had to call in and confirm that you are the original owner by answering a

few questions about the original purchase.  The software does prompt you

that you can buy a new pASSWORD to run the software BUT it is at the price

of the new software so why bother.

Paul Riedlinger

paulried(at)rogers.com



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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: Ground School DVD's

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