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jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: Gonna be

All pts. well taken, WOW. OK ,I've got a friend who  has a Knight -- its a trainer. Not completely. Some parts missin. He let me run  it up an dwn his strip a few times. He has a friend who is a Pilot and has  trainer cridentials. Who said would help. Agree would not want to be a statistic  or contribute a bad name to the sport. Have been interested in this long enough  to have spent considerable time reading Flyin inst. books. Also have spent some  time talkin with this fellah. I guess you'd call it ground trainin. So, other  than takin flight lessons - which would be cost prohibitive- I'm doin the best I  can. Had a ride in the Knight - back seat of course. And the other day, had the  Kolb runnin and taxied it up ah dwn a strip there- tryin to get the feel of its  controls. Did'nt know it had heel peddals for braking - rudder worked for turnin  but do'nt slow ya dwn. Figured out the heel peddals after that.

   Went to aircraft spruce and found good pins  and keeper clips -- thanks all.

  Guess the planes coming with a book and  pilots log so info on oil mix and such are probably there. Still not sure what  mix oil to use as you fellas seem to be at odds on that subject. Thanks fer yer  responses and concerns. Oh and the Iife ins. response --- gotch  ya.

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: Gonna be

James

  

 One more time. I'm trying to help. The FAA has a  open window were you can get your plane registered. It's available till  12/31/07 after that you don't have a chance to get it registered.  There might be something but it would very difficult. Unregistered it  will be illegal and worth much less not registered your choice. Check the Kolb-list(at)matronics.com (Kolb-list(at)matronics.com) archives on  Light Sort and LSA registration.

  

 What is a Knight? Is it going to fly like a Kolb?  We can't force you to get proper training but nothing less than light sport  training as part of the Light Sport license program will be legal for that  airplane. Get caught and you will be charged flying without a license and flying  a unregistered airplane. Get killed flying illegal and your life insurance  policy may be void. The Light Sport license is fairly easy and inexpensive to  get. It is still allot of work and beyond some people but one heck of allot  easer and less expensive than the private license I had to get at the  time.

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

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jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: Gonna be

If taking Flying lessons is cost prohibitive, sell  the plane. Coming from a CFII, there is too much to learn about safely flying a  Kolb, or any other airplane, in the time you have left after you go to full  throttle the 1st time, despite everything you have read about  flying.

 We don`t even know you & we are trying to help  you>   :  )      Jim

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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Gonna be

In the hope that by just mentioning this, it wont be tried. I'm not in favor of the old self-teaching method of "crow-hopping." I say this because it frequently comes up. The sometimes fatal outcome of crow-hopping comes when the learner, doing a little fast taxiing, gets light on the tires, then a foot up, and a sudden gust or movement of the stick, and wheeee, yer up 50 ft and don't really know how to get down. Panic closes the throttle, pulls the nose up, and it's Lawn Dart City. And, No, I haven't done it!



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Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Gonna be

OK Rick, Got my attn. LSA reg's must be posted at  their web site. The Knight is also an UL some diffs. Are you sayin to find  specific Kolb trainin.  And if so how would I go about findin  that.

 Hav'nt seen any new regs at their  site.     ?Thought I read everythin  there???????/                             

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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: Gonna be

Welcome to the list. Where are you located? There  may be someone on the list close to you who would be willing to help. The Cayuna  uses a 50 to 1 mix. 

 We also have a feature on the list that keeps the  archives from becoming too cluttered to search, so if you feel that a post does  not need to be kept for ever you just type in (do not archive).

  

 Dan Walter

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 Palmyra, PA.

  

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Thom Riddle

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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Gonna be

James,



As you should be able to tell from the responses you are getting, we Kolbers care about each other and you. TELL US WHERE YOU ARE LOCATED, so perhaps we can get you in touch with a Kolber near you to help you through this process.



Registering you airplane must be started very soon to meet the deadline because there are several steps including getting the registration number and getting it inspected for airworthiness. One way to do this is to order from EAA their E-LSA registration information kit which outlines all the steps required to make your Kolb legal.



Do NOT try to fly your Kolb without proper instruction. 

Do NOT try to fly your Kolb without proper instruction. 

Do NOT try to fly your Kolb without proper instruction. 



I've been flying for over 40 years since I got my private certificate. I've flown dozens of different airplanes and NONE of them fly like any other. In fact I'm now on my second early model Kolb Firestar and its flight characteristics are markedly different from the first one I had. I built neither of these. These are EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT built by individuals in their garages. Every builder does something different from the plans which are sometimes sketchy leaving a lot to the imagination of the builder. Some builders have some pretty wild imaginations and make modifications that are really dangerous. 



Since you are not an experienced pilot, and I assume not an aircraft mechanic, how in the world do you know if it is a safe flying machine? If you've  seen it fly, great, but that does not mean it is safe to fly. Do you know how to do a proper weight and balance calculation and why your life could depend upon it? Do you know if the wire ropes in the Kolb have properly swaged fittings? Do you know what to do if you get carburetor ice? Do you know what carburetor ice is and how to detect it? Do you know what a stall is? Do you know what causes a spin? Do you know to recover from a spin? Do you know what aileron flutter is? Do you know what adverse yaw is and how to correct for it?



I'm not asking these questions to make you feel stupid. But you are ignorant. We all began totally ignorant of the things we MUST know to fly safely. Not a single pilot was born with this knowledge. We all learned it over time. And it does take time but not as long as you might think to get to the point that you can fly in relative safety.



Please take the time required to learn to fly safely. If you do, you will have embarked upon an avocation that will reward you in ways that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you try to take shortcuts there is a good chance you will be dead before year end.



On average one pilot in the USA dies every day in their airplanes. Most of these are in Certificated Standard Category Aircraft built buy factories approved by the FAA, flown by very experienced pilots and the airplanes are maintained by FAA approved Airframe and Powerplant Mechanics. Approximately 80% of these are caused by some form of pilot error or poor judgment.



The ultimate in poor judgment is the decision to teach yourself to fly. Don't do it.

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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: Gonna be

James, There is an old adage you might wish to contemplate. Gallows humor, but true nonetheless. 

"Aviation is like a self cleaning oven."



Rick



On 8/8/07,  Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)>



James,



As you should be able to tell from the responses you are getting, we Kolbers care about each other and you. TELL US WHERE YOU ARE LOCATED, so perhaps we can get you in touch with a Kolber near you to help you through this process. 



Registering you airplane must be started very soon to meet the deadline because there are several steps including getting the registration number and getting it inspected for airworthiness. One way to do this is to order from EAA their E-LSA registration information kit which outlines all the steps required to make your Kolb legal. 



Do NOT try to fly your Kolb without proper instruction.

Do NOT try to fly your Kolb without proper instruction.

Do NOT try to fly your Kolb without proper instruction.



I've been flying for over 40 years since I got my private certificate. I've flown dozens of different airplanes and NONE of them fly like any other. In fact I'm now on my second early model Kolb Firestar and its flight characteristics are markedly different from the first one I had. I built neither of these. These are EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT built by individuals in their garages. Every builder does something different from the plans which are sometimes sketchy leaving a lot to the imagination of the builder. Some builders have some pretty wild imaginations and make modifications that are really dangerous. 



Since you are not an experienced pilot, and I assume not an aircraft mechanic, how in the world do you know if it is a safe flying machine? If you've  seen it fly, great, but that does not mean it is safe to fly. Do you know how to do a proper weight and balance calculation and why your life could depend upon it? Do you know if the wire ropes in the Kolb have properly swaged fittings? Do you know what to do if you get carburetor ice? Do you know what carburetor ice is and how to detect it? Do you know what a stall is? Do you know what causes a spin? Do you know to recover from a spin? Do you know what aileron flutter is? Do you know what adverse yaw is and how to correct for it? 



I'm not asking these questions to make you feel stupid. But you are ignorant. We all began totally ignorant of the things we MUST know to fly safely. Not a single pilot was born with this knowledge. We all learned it over time. And it does take time but not as long as you might think to get to the point that you can fly in relative safety. 



Please take the time required to learn to fly safely. If you do, you will have embarked upon an avocation that will reward you in ways that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you try to take shortcuts there is a good chance you will be dead before year end. 



On average one pilot in the USA dies every day in their airplanes. Most of these are in Certificated Standard Category Aircraft built buy factories approved by the FAA, flown by very experienced pilots and the airplanes are maintained by FAA approved Airframe and Powerplant Mechanics. Approximately 80% of these are caused by some form of pilot error or poor judgment. 



The ultimate in poor judgment is the decision to teach yourself to fly. Don't do it.



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Thom in Buffalo

N197BG FS1/447



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Richard Pike

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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: Gonna be

James, all the comments I have read so far are dead on the money, but let  me add something a bit different - Kolbs are great flying airplanes, I love mine  and promote Kolbs, but so far, the only one I have flown that would fly hands  off was a Firestar II with bunches of dihedral. My MKIII will not fly hands off  even with all the dihedral I could wedge into it. (So I put it back stock. Why  look odd if it doesn't help anything?) 

  

 When I first met John Hauck, within the first three minutes he told me that  a Kolb would not fly hands off, and that is true.

  

 Think about that very carefully.

  

 Some of the guys on the list might call this heresy, but a standard Kolb  WILL NOT FLY hands off. It will figure out a way to depart from straight  and level flight. Do you really want to learn to fly in such a device?

  

 Stock, it is a neutral stability airplane. Which make it delightful to fly,  but probably the world's worst choice to teach yourself to fly in. Learn to fly  first, get good at it, and then fly the Kolb, and you will love it. Try to teach  yourself to fly in it, and you will scream at it. But probably not for  long.

  

 End of sermon.

  

 Richard Pike

 MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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