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dj45

Joined: 25 Jul 2006
Posts: 92
Location: Jackson MI

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: Paint

Hi All



I have a question on types of paint people have used and success or lack of.

I plan to use PPG Shopline Acrylic Urethane system. The problem is that I have been told that the automotave paints are not designed to hold up in tha aircraft enviroment. Like they will come off after awhile.

Have any of you used other than approved aircraft paints and what were the results.



On another matter, where can i get a cover thr the tach. output on my IO360? Am using all elect. panel and will not be using it.



Thanks a bunch in advance.

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Dan Stanton
N801S CH 801
N226BS CH701
N24DS CH750

Ben52425(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Paint

HI DAN

 

 I PAINTED MY 601 WITH GM 11 WHITE SAME AS CAR, S 

 CAR FINISH SPEAK, S FOR ITSELF     BEAUTIFUL FINISH

 COST OF 3 GALLON, S   3 HUNDRED AND CHANGE

      GOOD LUCK                     BEN

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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Paint

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		  > paint people have used


	


Acid wash, etch, epoxy primer and Dupont Nason Full-cryl 2. Excelent results 

and makes a rank amature look like a pro.



Aaron G.

tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Paint

FWIW. I painted my 601XL with Dupont Nason  Ful-Thane 2K urethane in 1993 Ford Canary Yellow with Black stripes.  I  used the recommended Dupont primer for the paint. I bought the paint at an  auto paint dealer. The primer was two part and the top coat was three  part.  Working well after 2 years and 270 flight hours.  Flexibility  does not seem to be an issue.  Flight temps from -5F to 99 F.

  

 Tony Graziano

 N493TG  

  

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             Paint        From:              dj45 (dj45(at)modempool.com ([email]dj45(at)modempool.com?subject=Re:%20Paint&replyto=1186320945.m2f.127577(at)forums.matronics.com[/email]))        Date:              [b]Sun Aug 05 - 6:36        AM[/b]

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		  Hi All



I have a question on types of paint people have used and success or lack of.

I plan to use PPG Shopline Acrylic Urethane system. The problem is that I have

been told that the automotave paints are not designed to hold up in tha aircraft

enviroment. Like they will come off after awhile.

Have any of you used other than approved aircraft paints and what were the results.



	
	
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psm(at)ATT.NET
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: Paint

Hi Dan,



I am using the lower cost acrylic enamel from PPG for my plane.  I 

chose this mostly because it is less toxic than the urethane system, 

but it is also considerably less expensive.  It has slightly less 

shine than the urethane, and doesn't have as many color choices 

available.  My cost average for the epoxy primer and acrylic enamel 

are around $100 per gallon when you add in all the necessary reducers 

and hardeners.  I also bought a very nice German HVLP gravity feed 

gun there for around $100.  The gun works incredibly well, and has so 

many adjustments I am still learning how best to use it.



I decided to use a self etching primer under all the above paint to 

prepare the aluminum surface.  The older (more accepted) way is to 

use "Alumiprep" and "Alodine" under the paint.  Even though I have 

already used a primer before going to the PPG products, I learned 

through testing that I still need a standard primer under the top 

coat.  Without the standard primer, the top coat tended to lift the 

self etching primer.



The paint store where I bought it supplies all the professional 

automotive and aircraft paint shops in the Portland, OR area.  One of 

the points the guy at the store made for me was the shops use the 

acrylic enamel to paint airplanes regularly.  This is what you get if 

you pay for the "Standard" paint job on a certified plane.



My own opinion is that the more expensive urethane based paint might 

be a good choice if you want that extra shine or exotic colors on 

your plane.  I also think the outrageously expensive paints 

supposedly designed for airplanes are really designed for folks who 

have "More dollars than sense".



Paul

XL fuselage

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 	  Quote: 	
		  I have a question on types of paint people have used and success or lack of.

I plan to use PPG Shopline Acrylic Urethane system. The problem is 

that I have been told that the automotave paints are not designed to 

hold up in tha aircraft enviroment. Like they will come off after awhile.

Have any of you used other than approved aircraft paints and what 

were the results.



On another matter, where can i get a cover thr the tach. output on 

my IO360? Am using all elect. panel and will not be using it.



Thanks a bunch in advance.



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Dan Stanton

95% done paint  to go

801, IO360

Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Paint

I asked Nick of Roger (one of them)about this a couple of years ago. He told me that automotive paint is all they use....Geoff

eldenej(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: Paint

Good morning Paul,

   

  Could you elaborate a bit on the gun: name, model, etc. It sounds interesting.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Elden J.

  xl/3300



Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz 



Hi Dan,



I am using the lower cost acrylic enamel from PPG for my plane. I 

chose this mostly because it is less toxic than the urethane system, 

but it is also considerably less expensive. It has slightly less 

shine than the urethane, and doesn't have as many color choices 

available. My cost average for the epoxy primer and acrylic enamel 

are around $100 per gallon when you add in all the necessary reducers 

and hardeners. I also bought a very nice German HVLP gravity feed 

gun  there for around $100. The gun works incredibly well, and has so 

many adjustments I am still learning how best to use it.



I decided to use a self etching primer under all the above paint to 

prepare the aluminum surface. The older (more accepted) way is to 

use "Alumiprep" and "Alodine" under the paint. Even though I have 

already used a primer before going to the PPG products, I learned 

through testing that I still need a standard primer under the top 

coat. Without the standard primer, the top coat tended to lift the 

self etching primer.



The paint store where I bought it supplies all the professional 

automotive and aircraft paint shops in the Portland, OR area. One of 

the points the guy at the store made for me was the shops use the 

acrylic enamel to paint airplanes regularly. This is what you get if 

you pay for the "Standard" paint job on a certified plane.



My own opinion is that the more expensive urethane  based paint might 

be a good choice if you want that extra shine or exotic colors on 

your plane. I also think the outrageously expensive paints 

supposedly designed for airplanes are really designed for folks who 

have "More dollars than sense".



Paul

XL fuselage

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[quote]I have a question on types of paint people have used and success or lack of.

I plan to use PPG Shopline Acrylic Urethane system. The problem is 

that I have been told that the automotave paints are not designed to 

hold up in tha aircraft enviroment. Like they will come off after awhile.

Have any of you used other than approved aircraft paints and what 

were the results.



On another matter, where can i get a cover thr the tach. output on 

my IO360? Am using all elect. panel and will not be using it.



Thanks a bunch in advance.



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Dan [quote][b]

rfg842(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: Paint

A gentleman who managed the Cessna paint shop for years and now owns a Sherwin Williams store recommended the Sherwin Williams DTM Acrylic  enamel.  It's an industrial and marine enamel with good gloss, easy to roll, brush or spray and at $60.00 per galleon, a good buy.

  

 Have only tried small items so far but I'm happy.

  

 Bob, Wichita

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hrs1(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Paint

Bob . . . what did he recommend in the way of preping, priming, etc.  

Sounds good.  Robert Schoenberger 701



Bob wrote:

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		   A gentleman who managed the Cessna paint shop for years and now owns a 

 Sherwin Williams store recommended the Sherwin Williams DTM Acrylic  

 enamel.  It's an industrial and marine enamel with good gloss, easy to 

 roll, brush or spray and at $60.00 per galleon, a good buy.

  

 Have only tried small items so far but I'm happy.

  

 Bob, Wichita



 	

 	



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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: Paint

I'm planning to use the Loehle line of paint products on my 601 ( 

www.loehle.com).  I've reasearched it and compared the system to others. It 

looks like a winner to me. Has anyone else considered it?

                                                                             

                    Lynn         601XL / Corvair

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