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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: 500A

Well, it is finished.  As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner.  I wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would still own it today.  

I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of those involved in the Commander community.  However, I have decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway.  I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here than “gold diggers”.  

I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list “Commander ownership is not for everybody”.  

Well, it’s not for me.  

Cheers,  

Bill Bow     [quote][b]

andrew.bridget(at)telus.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: 500A

Hi Bill,

  

 If I remember correctly you were one of the many  that provided some helpful comments about Commanders and was supportive of me  when I was writing my book. Again thank you for that. I hope you will still  frequent the lists - I do and I'm not a Commander owner; I wish I was, and again  I'm glad I'm not, if that makes any sense. 

  

 God bless,

 Andrew

  

 do not archive

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cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: 500A

Bilbo,

 I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.  Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass along.

 

 Where is your plane going?  It's always good to know where the distress calls are likely to come from.

 

 Wing Commander Gordon

 

   

 

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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: 500A

Bill,



I'm sorry to hear that you've sold your Commander. As a person who has 

experienced ownership at the opposite end of the spectrum from you (I 

love my airplane & it's taken good care of me), I wish wholeheartedly 

that you had had a positive experience.



I do understand that Commander ownership isn't for everybody, but I hope 

one day that you'll again be seduced by one of these fine airplanes.



Stay on the list regardless!!!



/John



Bill Bow wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I 

 wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I 

 would still own it today.



 I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a_ 

 few_ of those involved in the Commander community. However, I have 

 decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- 

 anyway. I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I 

 will probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys 

 here than “gold diggers”.



 I will always remember the_ supportive_ words of one person on this 

 list “Commander ownership is not for everybody”.



 Well, it’s not for me.



 Cheers,



 Bill Bow



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barry.collman(at)air-brit
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: 500A

Hey! We're not going to miss him that much -  didn't Bilbo start the sump saga?

  

 Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck  Bilbo!

  

 Best Regards,

 Barry

  

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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: 500A

N78379 is going to The Kings Wings.  It is a missionary group out of south Florida.  

   

bb  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudcraft(at)aol.com

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:24 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: 500A  

  

     



 Bilbo,

 I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.  Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass along.

 

 Where is your plane going?  It's always good to know where the distress calls are likely to come from.

 

 Wing Commander Gordon  

    

   

  

-----Original Message-----

 From: Bill Bow <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am

 Subject: 500A    

Well, it is finished.  As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner.  I wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would still own it today.  

I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of those involved in the Commander community.  However, I have decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway.  I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here than “gold diggers”.  

I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list “Commander ownership is not for everybody”.  

Well, it’s not for me.  

Cheers,  

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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: 500A

THAT’S ME!!  

SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP  

   

Love it.  

bilbo  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: 500A  

  

     

Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump saga?  

    

   

    

Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!  

    

   

    

Best Regards,  

    

Barry  

    

   

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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: 500A

Thanks Andrew

  

 Bill



Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: 500A

Bilbo,  

   

Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? – pulling no punches. It’s refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement, it’s how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistakes and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths.  

   

Thanks  

   

Nico  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:39 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: 500A  

  

   

THAT’S ME!!  

SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP  

   

Love it.  

bilbo  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: 500A  

  

     

Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump saga?  

    

   

    

Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!  

    

   

    

Best Regards,  

    

Barry  

    

   

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: 500A

bilbo, i agree  & what book?  mason



 [quote]  From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: 500A

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:28:52 -0700



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Bilbo, 

  

Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? – pulling no punches. It’s refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement, it’s how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistakes and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths. 

  

Thanks 

  

Nico 

  

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:39 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: 500A

 

  

THAT’S ME!! 

SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP 

  

Love it. 

bilbo 

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 500A

 

   

Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump saga?

  

 

  

Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!

  

 

  

Best Regards,

  

Barry

  

 

 [quote]  

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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: 500A

I’ll consider it.  

   

bb  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:29 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: 500A  

  

   

Bilbo,  

   

Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? – pulling no punches. It’s refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement, it’s how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistakes and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths.  

   

Thanks  

   

Nico  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:39 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: 500A  

  

   

THAT’S ME!!  

SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP  

   

Love it.  

bilbo  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman

 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: 500A  

  

     

Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump saga?  

    

   

    

Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!  

    

   

    

Best Regards,  

    

Barry  

    

   

  [quote]    

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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: 500A

[quote]    

   



   

Well, it is finished.     As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner.  I wish my 500A had been    what it was represented as when I bought it as I would still own it    today.   

I had written up a long    diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of those involved in the Commander community.  However, I    have decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s----    anyway.  I have made a lot of good friends on this    list some that I    will probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here    than “gold diggers”.   

I will always remember    the supportive words of one person on this list “Commander ownership is not    for everybody”.   

Well, it’s not for    me.   

Cheers,   

Bill Bow 	  Quote: 	
		  Bill;You are fortunate in that you still get to sit in the big bird and fly.  It was when I could no longer do that, that I bought my Commander.  I too am sorry you did not have a good experience, so far, mine has been just what I had hoped for, my problem is I don't go fly enough. However, we all see some frustration on the list with older airplanes and hard to get parts, thankfully, the knowledge is in someone's head.I would only slightly change your supportive words to this, "Commander ownership is not for everybody, but it should be".Keep the shinny side up,Don



href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List

href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com



	
   

      Date:    8/7/2007 4:06 PM

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: 500A

bb, please! mason



 [quote]  From: bowing74(at)earthlink.net

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: 500A

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:15:41 -0400



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I’ll consider it. 

  

bb 

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:29 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: 500A

 

  

Bilbo, 

  

Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? – pulling no punches. It’s refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement, it’s how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistakes and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths. 

  

Thanks 

  

Nico 

  

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:39 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: 500A

 

  

THAT’S ME!! 

SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP 

  

Love it. 

bilbo 

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 500A

 

   

Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump saga?

  

 

  

Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!

  

 

  

Best Regards,

  

Barry

  

 

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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: 500A

BB,  

   

I, too, would be very interested in your experiences with your 500A.  As a “new” owner of a 500S (3 years), I too have had my ups and downs.  I just figured that it was the nature of airplane ownership.  

   

Don Falik  

   

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: 500A

Bill-  

   

I’ll add to the calls to hear your experience!  

   

I spend quite a bit of time reading NTSB summaries to learn from the mistakes of other commander pilots- there are a number of us who weren’t here to know of your experience- and we could certainly benefit from it.  

   

My commander experience has been mostly negatives.  I’m hoping to trump that today with a return to flight for N414C…  Stay tuned.  

   

Robert Randazzo  

       

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net

 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:01 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: 500A  

  

  

   

BB,  

   

I, too, would be very interested in your experiences with your 500A.  As a “new” owner of a 500S (3 years), I too have had my ups and downs.  I just figured that it was the nature of airplane ownership.  

   

Don Falik  

   

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dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: 500A

Sorry to hear about the bad experiance...I just sold mine as the fuel bills for one or two people just don't pencil out as I make a couple of 700 mile trips a month...dearly miss my bird...I did get lucky and stumbled on to a reasonable mechanic at RDD...Mark at Aircraft inspection service kept her in great shape without breaking the bank...one day I will have another...maybe I could talk my wife into a second job???

  

 Craig

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brcamp(at)windows.microso
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: 500A

My, and I suspect most people's problems seem to fall into at least some of these catagories:



   incompetent , dishonest, or commander unfamiliar mechanics



  lack of Stcs for key systems like brakes and autopilots

 lack of good instruction in type

 difficulty in insuring an "old plane".

  fuel cost of a twin



The ups so far seem to have been:

  great plane. Strong, handles well, carries lots.

  excellent support from Tc and TCFG



     bruce



  



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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: 500A

Dont go away because of some bad fruit. We love our  500A, and I am sure you felt the same about yours. Not too many of them left you  know...

  

  

  

  

 David Owens

Aerial  Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: 500A

Not sure how to take that off the  list...   ???

  

  

  

  

 David Owens

Aerial  Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

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