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mountain4don

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: Engine Weights?

I am building a Zenith 601 XL, and flying a Piper Cherokee.  The Cherokee is really low powered when the density altitude gets up there in the summer time, making it difficult to fly and carry any passengers or baggage.  As I approach the end of construction of my 601 fuselage, I am starting to look for an engine to power it.  Being sensitive to the horsepower to weight ratio, I am looking for a listing of actual weights of installed engines in a 601 XL.  What I would like to have is a listing of a complete engine with all the parts included like the exhaust system, starter, alternator, carborator, engine mount, coolers, propeller, and etc. for various engines, along with their horsepower ratings.  I am considering so far the traditional Lycoming, Continental, Rotax, Jabarau, and various auto engine conversions.  I am not considering anything less than 100 Horsepower.  I have looked at the lists for Lycoming and Continental engines, but I  can't figure out if all the critical things are included with their weights.  As far as I can tell they may be shipping weights including the packaging without the starters or alternators?



Thanks for any help you can give me on picking an engine.



Don Mountain



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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Engine Weights?

Take a look at the www.USJabiru.com  web page it has the information you are looking for. I just took delivery of a  3300 for the CH701 I am building. The FWF package from USJ is very complete  too. 

  

 John  Read



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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: Engine Weights?

Don,

There's an easier perspective from which to choose an engine.

If you've $14K or more to spend, buy the Jabaru 3300 as it's the 

"Merlin" of homebuilt engines.  If you need to spend a little less, but 

want the most available and purchased engine for the buck, buy a Rotax 

912.  If you want better horsepower at minimal cost and weight, buy a 

Corvair. In nearly each engine, you'll probably be surprised how much 

more lift and performance that you'll get than the Piper.  For weight, I 

cannot recommend the Subaru as it needs a radiator, but it is the least 

costly engine, to purchase, fuel use, parts and  performance of any of 

them.  It, like the Corvair, demands you invest a little more of 

yourself in knowing what the engine requires to be reliable.



The weights of most engines are found at the following page link and 

there are links for each engine grouped by horsepower.

 http://www.aviator.cc/engines2.html



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com  (Stratus/RAM Performance 

Subaru)



Don Mountain wrote:

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		   I am building a Zenith 601 XL, and flying a Piper Cherokee.  The 

 Cherokee is really low powered when the density altitude gets up there 

 in the summer time, making it difficult to fly and carry any 

 passengers or baggage.  As I approach the end of construction of my 

 601 fuselage, I am starting to look for an engine to power it.  Being 

 sensitive to the horsepower to weight ratio, I am looking for a 

 listing of actual weights of installed engines in a 601 XL.  What I 

 would like to have is a listing of a complete engine with all the 

 parts included like the exhaust system, starter, alternator, 

 carborator, engine mount, coolers, propeller, and etc. for various 

 engines, along with their horsepower ratings.  I am considering so far 

 the traditional Lycoming, Continental, Rotax, Jabarau, and various 

 auto engine conversions.  I am not considering anything less than 100 

 Horsepower.  I have looked at the lists for Lycoming and Continental 

 engines, but I can't figure out if all the critical things are 

 included with their weights.  As far as I can tell they may be 

 shipping weights including the packaging without the starters or 

 alternators?



 Thanks for any help you can give me on picking an engine.



 Don Mountain

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Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Engine Weights?

Larry,  I like that "Merlin of homebuilt engines" comment.   An easy response to the question "Why did you buy a Jabiru?"



Tim

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: Engine Weights?

Yes Tim,

for that airplane, it's a great choice and I would have bought one 

myself if I weren't so fond of the water-cooled Subaru.



Larry McFarland

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Tim Juhl wrote:

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 Larry,  I like that "Merlin of homebuilt engines" comment.   An easy response to the question "Why did you buy a Jabiru?"



 Tim



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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: Engine Weights?

These links have some info on weights.

 [url=http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/weights.htm(Engine]http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/weights.htm[/url]

 http://www.wanttaja.com/avlinks/engines.htm

 

 The FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet (TCDS) for the Lyc O-235 gives its weight as 244lbs. It is a bit more than these links indicate.

 Do not archive

 Bob  XL/Lyc 

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