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ashontz
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Maybe, maybe not. The John Deer A/C sounds more like it's suited for a small plane. I'd say the conditions are similar, out in the hot sun in a big open bubble and apparently it works fine on a tractor.
| larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: | Andy,
I'd not recommend a 12-V Cooler for anything like the cockpit of a 601.
The simple plate area and fan are dependent upon a small area that
recirculates air for a period of about 12 -24 hours to do any serious
cooling. The mix of heat in a 601 would absorb the cool air so quickly
that it'd be like putting a bag of frozen Popsicles in the plane. Once
melted, you'd have never noticed a difference, even on a 80-degree day.
The materials are very light, as is the typical performance output of a
12-V cooler.
You'd be better off drinking lots of ice water just before a flight.{;<)
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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pilot4pay
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Well, there is a really really big problem, you see the venting of CFCs, HCFCs and HFCs into the atmosphere, either intentionally or inadvertently in quantities other than that from disconnecting a hose from an evacuation pump or manifold gauge is prohibited by federal law, titles 608, 609 of the EPA (Federal Clean air act/Montreal and Kyoto protocols). Fine minimum $20,000 per discharge. The EPA offers a $10,000 reward for tips on violators. You don't happen to have the N number handy do you???? Be nice to have uncle Sam finance my CH640......
Also, license is required to legally purchase refrigerants in US. And the price of refrigerants these days??? Why waste all of that refrigerant, when all that's needed is a pound and a half or so for a closed system? Legalities aside, not a very economical option, and indeed quite risky, and terrible for the environment.
Now, a legal form of lost refrigerant system would be a dry ice (or pressurized CO2) type of cooler, used by refrigerated trucks and rail for decades.
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Yes -No, it was do in an aircraft in Houston,TX. No cheap, but it worked. Not sure if the Green people would approve - BUT Jerry of Ga
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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I doubt this is a compressor-based refrigeration unit. More likely, it uses
a Peltier junction for cooling. These things suck electricity, and create a
temperature differential across the device. You'll need a way to dump the
waste heat overboard.
You'd probably do better to get a surplus Peltier jucntion on the surplus
market. I found http://www.thsengineering.com/surplus/tec.html with a quick
search.
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ashontz
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Also, license is required to legally purchase refrigerants in US
Uh oh, the lawyer again.
Actually, I just went down to Pep Boys last month and bought some R-134A for my old truck (right here in New Jersey, USA of all places, who'da thunk it was possible?).
Whoah, Autozone is carrying R-134A too. Holy hell!!!
http://www.autozone.com/R,NONAPP22886/store,1893/shopping/accessoryProductDetail.htm
Dag, AdvancedAuto is busted too. R134A recharge kit, WITH INSTRUCTIONS NO LESS!!!
http://www.advanceautoparts.com/english/specials/coolingsystem.asp
[quote="pilot4pay"]Well, there is a really really big problem, you see the venting of CFCs, HCFCs and HFCs into the atmosphere, either intentionally or inadvertently in quantities other than that from disconnecting a hose from an evacuation pump or manifold gauge is prohibited by federal law, titles 608, 609 of the EPA (Federal Clean air act/Montreal and Kyoto protocols). Fine minimum $20,000 per discharge. The EPA offers a $10,000 reward for tips on violators. You don't happen to have the N number handy do you???? Be nice to have uncle Sam finance my CH640......
Also, license is required to legally purchase refrigerants in US. And the price of refrigerants these days??? Why waste all of that refrigerant, when all that's needed is a pound and a half or so for a closed system? Legalities aside, not a very economical option, and indeed quite risky, and terrible for the environment.
Now, a legal form of lost refrigerant system would be a dry ice (or pressurized CO2) type of cooler, used by refrigerated trucks and rail for decades.
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Yes -No, it was do in an aircraft in Houston,TX. No cheap, but it worked. Not sure if the Green people would approve - BUT Jerry of Ga
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ashontz
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Didn't the green people push for R134A to replace R22? This is old news. Back around 1992 you couldn't get refrigerant it Pep Boys anymore. now you can go down and buy as many cans of R134A is you like.
[quote="pilot4pay"]Well, there is a really really big problem, you see the venting of CFCs, HCFCs and HFCs into the atmosphere, either intentionally or inadvertently in quantities other than that from disconnecting a hose from an evacuation pump or manifold gauge is prohibited by federal law, titles 608, 609 of the EPA (Federal Clean air act/Montreal and Kyoto protocols). Fine minimum $20,000 per discharge. The EPA offers a $10,000 reward for tips on violators. You don't happen to have the N number handy do you???? Be nice to have uncle Sam finance my CH640......
Also, license is required to legally purchase refrigerants in US. And the price of refrigerants these days??? Why waste all of that refrigerant, when all that's needed is a pound and a half or so for a closed system? Legalities aside, not a very economical option, and indeed quite risky, and terrible for the environment.
Now, a legal form of lost refrigerant system would be a dry ice (or pressurized CO2) type of cooler, used by refrigerated trucks and rail for decades.
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Yes -No, it was do in an aircraft in Houston,TX. No cheap, but it worked. Not sure if the Green people would approve - BUT Jerry of Ga
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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..just make sure that the evaporation products do not dilute the breathable oxygen mixture in the cabin...confined space limitations might make that non-feasible.
C Smith <pilot4profit(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote: [quote] Well, there is a really really big problem, you see the venting of CFCs, HCFCs and HFCs into the atmosphere, either intentionally or inadvertently in quantities other than that from disconnecting a hose from an evacuation pump or manifold gauge is prohibited by federal law, titles 608, 609 of the EPA (Federal Clean air act/Montreal and Kyoto protocols). Fine minimum $20,000 per discharge. The EPA offers a $10,000 reward for tips on violators. You don't happen to have the N number handy do you???? Be nice to have uncle Sam finance my CH640......
Also, license is required to legally purchase refrigerants in US. And the price of refrigerants these days??? Why waste all of that refrigerant, when all that's needed is a pound and a half or so for a closed system? Legalities aside, not a very economical option, and indeed quite risky, and terrible for the environment.
Now, a legal form of lost refrigerant system would be a dry ice (or pressurized CO2) type of cooler, used by refrigerated trucks and rail for decades.
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Yes -No, it was do in an aircraft in Houston,TX. No cheap, but it worked. Not sure if the Green people would approve - BUT Jerry of Ga
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pilot4pay
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Uh-oh the smarty pants again.
In lieu of quoting the complete text of the act, I made a generalization.
Sooo sorry, the repair kits for automotive are the only exception, have to
be sold by a licensed dealer. See if you can buy 25 lbs of it.
I guess it's bad form on this group to try to warn someone they are
committing a serious violation, with pretty steep consequences. What's the
matter with you?
I suppose you wouldn't tell your kids drinking and driving is wrong, only if
ya get caught.
What is it with you guys, do you see it as a challenge to break the law,
endanger the environment for others. What kind of message does that tell
your kids, complying with the law is optional? You get to pick?
So go look it up your self, on the EPA website.
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pilot4pay
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Of course, the co2 systems have an evaporator, just like sealed systems, and vent outboard of their containers.
From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Downey
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:14 PM
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
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...just make sure that the evaporation products do not dilute the breathable oxygen mixture in the cabin...confined space limitations might make that non-feasible.
C Smith <pilot4profit(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote: [quote] Now, a legal form of lost refrigerant system would be a dry ice (or pressurized CO2) type of cooler, used by refrigerated trucks and rail for decades.
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MaxNr(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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John Deere air conditioners, huh? I'm sold. My pickup truck is nothing more than a support system for an air conditioner. Why not a 601XL? The nearby US Naval Air Station (Whiting Field) cools the T-34C's (air cycle I think) and some of the helo's are freon cooled with a small Japanese auto compressor driven by a pulley on the tail rotor drive shaft. These are the TH-57C's. Same as a Bell 206B3, only with a huge IFR panel and autopilot. The instructors will turn down an assigned A/C if the air con is inop and request another.
Friend of mine simplifies his altitude selection by flat out ignoring winds aloft and climbing until the OAT read 16 deg Celsius.
Just thinking: could I replace my alternator with one of those new small ones that mount in place of the vac pump and put a small compressor in its place? The condenser could mount on the MLG. Draggy and heavy, but 105 heat index aint nuthing to sneeze at.
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crvsecretary
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Hi Bob:
The small alternators that mount on the vacuum pump pad are just that - small - and are typically used as backup alternators. Probably big enough for an XL, but this looks like something to research.
Let's take this discussion a bit further - anyone know of an air conditioner system that could be run BACKWARDS a.k.a. 'heat pump' for our cold winter months here in New England that would eliminate the heat shroud CO issue ? I think it would be just great to have something that would require a simple v-belt routing change that could convert from cooling to heating.
Does such a thing exist ??
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL N458XL (reserved)
In a message dated 8/13/2007 9:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, MaxNr(at)aol.com writes:
| Quote: | John Deere air conditioners, huh? I'm sold. My pickup truck is nothing more than a support system for an air conditioner. Why not a 601XL? The nearby US Naval Air Station (Whiting Field) cools the T-34C's (air cycle I think) and some of the helo's are freon cooled with a small Japanese auto compressor driven by a pulley on the tail rotor drive shaft. These are the TH-57C's. Same as a Bell 206B3, only with a huge IFR panel and autopilot. The instructors will turn down an assigned A/C if the air con is inop and request another.
Friend of mine simplifies his altitude selection by flat out ignoring winds aloft and climbing until the OAT read 16 deg Celsius.
Just thinking: could I replace my alternator with one of those new small ones that mount in place of the vac pump and put a small compressor in its place? The condenser could mount on the MLG. Draggy and heavy, but 105 heat index aint nuthing to sneeze at.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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This may be getting a bit 'off-topic' but you may find it worth while to investigate Stirling engines. They are 'External combustion' engines, Philips in Holland were doing a lot of work on them, I saw them demonstrated in the '60s. They even had one powering a speedboat. The thing is that they are reversible - you provide heat, the engine produces power, if you provide the power it acts as a heat pump. If you want to know more go to www.stirlingengine.com who have a lot of information and produce low-powered versions.
Dave Johnson
601XL - working on wiring
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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John Deere parts are almost as expensive as aviation parts.
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ashontz
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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You're lawyering comes through loud and clear on here. Actually, what the problem is with people here is that they're here because friggin' lawyers have destroyed general aviation. We already went through this. I
guy I know who's a federal judge (and obviously a lawyer) as well as a pilot and is ashamed of his own profession because of this and openly admits lawyers have in fact ruined general aviation. You're general demeanor is rather unfit for such a forum. A lawyer hanging around a homebuilt community is kind of like a feminist crashing the local Father's Rights organization and 'hanging out.'
| pilot4pay wrote: | Uh-oh the smarty pants again.
In lieu of quoting the complete text of the act, I made a generalization.
Sooo sorry, the repair kits for automotive are the only exception, have to
be sold by a licensed dealer. See if you can buy 25 lbs of it.
I guess it's bad form on this group to try to warn someone they are
committing a serious violation, with pretty steep consequences. What's the
matter with you?
I suppose you wouldn't tell your kids drinking and driving is wrong, only if
ya get caught.
What is it with you guys, do you see it as a challenge to break the law,
endanger the environment for others. What kind of message does that tell
your kids, complying with the law is optional? You get to pick?
So go look it up your self, on the EPA website.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Maybe you fellows ought to get married.
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Maybe you fellows ought to get married.
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ashontz
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I am married. You mean to each other? LOL. No way in hell. Although the arguments would probably be about what you'd here around your average household. Should have head the neighbors behind me (guy and his wife) lastnight calling each other A-holes. Classic.
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Michael Valentine
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Back off Andy. There is a large difference between lawyering that killed GA and someone pointing out that a) it is illegal to stock up on refrigerants and b) many people seem to see that as a challenge. Your comment ("you're (sic) general demeanor is rather unfit for such a forum") is complete crap and your follow-up statement is equally ignorant. From your statements I would gather that in your opinion the only people who should be part of the homebuilt community are ignorant male chauvinists that like to break the law?
Michael in NH
On 8/14/07, ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>
You're lawyering comes through loud and clear on here. Actually, what the problem is with people here is that they're here because friggin' lawyers have destroyed general aviation. We already went through this. I
guy I know who's a federal judge (and obviously a lawyer) as well as a pilot and is ashamed of his own profession because of this and openly admits lawyers have in fact ruined general aviation. You're general demeanor is rather unfit for such a forum. A lawyer hanging around a homebuilt community is kind of like a feminist crashing the local Father's Rights organization and 'hanging out.'
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| Quote: | Uh-oh the smarty pants again.
In lieu of quoting the complete text of the act, I made a generalization.
Sooo sorry, the repair kits for automotive are the only exception, have to
be sold by a licensed dealer. See if you can buy 25 lbs of it.
I guess it's bad form on this group to try to warn someone they are
committing a serious violation, with pretty steep consequences. What's the
matter with you?
I suppose you wouldn't tell your kids drinking and driving is wrong, only if
ya get caught.
What is it with you guys, do you see it as a challenge to break the law,
> endanger the environment for others. What kind of message does that tell
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So go look it up your self, on the EPA website.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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I'm not refering to the this about Freon. Obviously that's illegal. I'm refering to some of his other posts that refer to legalities.
Who said anything about the homebuilt community being nothing more than male chauvenists. What are you talking about, the reference to the feminist at the Father's Rights org? Uh, that was just an example. Never said anything about women not being welcome in the homebuilt community, I just mentioned feminists at a father's right's organization would probably be a bit awkward, kind of the same awkwardness of a lawyer at hanging around with guys that he helped make their lives bit rough. I guess you can figure out I'm not big on lawyers. I don't see where they fit in with the grand scheme of things, and I'd venture to guess most actually productive people don't think highly of laywers either. Why, because laywers hang around were there's money to be made (which is usually generated by productive people) and then redistributed by lawyers. I know, the popular myth lawyers want to uphold is that they do nothing of the sort. BS. Just ask a doctor who pays exhorbitant insurance fees. If we had loser pays laws in this country you'd see a hell of a lot less parasitic lawyers because they're be no money in it. Imagine prosecuting a bogus case for $100,000, simultaneously the shark on the other side is racking up $100,000 in fees himself, and then lose in court. Now the lawyer just spend 200 hours for nothing and his bogus client has to pay the defendent and his lawyer leaving very little if anything for the plaintiff's shark. That'd be a nice legal system if you ask me... reducing lawyers to the paperwork clerks they are instead of revered BSers.
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[quote="Michael Valentine"]Back off Andy. There is a large difference between lawyering that killed GA and someone pointing out that a) it is illegal to stock up on refrigerants and b) many people seem to see that as a challenge. Your comment ("you're (sic) general demeanor is rather unfit for such a forum") is complete crap and your follow-up statement is equally ignorant. From your statements I would gather that in your opinion the only people who should be part of the homebuilt community are ignorant male chauvinists that like to break the law?
Michael in NH
On 8/14/07, ashontz <ashontz> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz>
You're lawyering comes through loud and clear on here. Actually, what the problem is with people here is that they're here because friggin' lawyers have destroyed general aviation. We already went through this. I
guy I know who's a federal judge (and obviously a lawyer) as well as a pilot and is ashamed of his own profession because of this and openly admits lawyers have in fact ruined general aviation. You're general demeanor is rather unfit for such a forum. A lawyer hanging around a homebuilt community is kind of like a feminist crashing the local Father's Rights organization and 'hanging out.'
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| Quote: | Uh-oh the smarty pants again.
In lieu of quoting the complete text of the act, I made a generalization.
Sooo sorry, the repair kits for automotive are the only exception, have to
be sold by a licensed dealer. See if you can buy 25 lbs of it.
I guess it's bad form on this group to try to warn someone they are
committing a serious violation, with pretty steep consequences. What's the
matter with you?
I suppose you wouldn't tell your kids drinking and driving is wrong, only if
ya get caught.
What is it with you guys, do you see it as a challenge to break the law,
> endanger the environment for others. What kind of message does that tell
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| Quote: | your kids, complying with the law is optional? You get to pick?
So go look it up your self, on the EPA website.
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dave.thompson(at)verizon.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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Several years ago I wanted to upgrade the ice box in my tent trailer. I’m a cheap Ba*(at)#d so went to my local RV junk yard and purchased a 12V / 120V / LP gas fridge that had been crushed but still worked. I removed the guts and installed it behind my ice box. It works very well on 12V, even makes ice. It takes longer to cool on 12V than 120V or gas but it still works. It draws about 2 to 3 amps on 12V. It has an ammonia cooling unit. I don’t know what it weighs but I think it didn’t weigh too much, not nearly as much as my tiny 5000 BTU window air conditioner in my shop office. It seems that one could be adapted to our use. I DO wonder about the ammonia if it gets a leak. I don’t know about those things. Below is a link that explains how they work. It discusses gas Refrigerators but my 12V Refrigerator works the same way with a 12V heater.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=refrigerator.htm&url=http://www.nh3tech.org/absorption.html
Here’s a link to a portable version. It’s not cheap but it’s an idea.
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-refrigerators/portable-refrigerator-mrft40.htm
Possible positives:
Size (the parts that I used only took up about a 12” X 12” X 6” space, plus the 4” X 2” X 8” by condenser)
No moving parts
Simple
Low amperage draw
Possible drawbacks:
Weight (of course)
Ammonia leakage (Is it toxic?)
Speed of cooling (my 3.5 cu. ft. fridge takes about a half an hour to be cold)
Size (could it be installed below the baggage shelf or under the seat?)
I may be way off base with this idea. You guys told me that I was with the Thermoelectric Module. I’m just throwing out ideas at this point.
Dave Thompson
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Zodiac 601XL Air Conditioner |
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I've wondered about this, remembering that 50 some years ago I saw refrigerators that used a small gas flame as an energy source. We throw away a lot of heat in exhaust gases, so that could be an energy source. I Googled "Servel", the manufacturer of such refrigerators and learned that the refrigerant flow depends entirely on gravity. I wonder if turbulence would disrupt the refrigerant circulation?. Anyone done any research on concept?
George
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