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tc1917(at)hughes.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: motors

Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge.  I have 

ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot.  I called the DAR who 

originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some info 

that I dont quite understand.   Can anyone clarify for me the procedures for 

changing this engine and prop?  I know I must report the change and put all 

the information as per the regs in the books but am not sure what the 

paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is like trying to 

read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on the road.  I 

think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info.  anyone done this 

recently?

also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa 

registering for their airworthiness cert.  something about having to have it 

inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to having an 

airworthiness inspection.  an inspection before an inspection?  the dar says 

that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop for us to jump 

through.  man, they sure make it easy to register and stay legal, dont they? 

can someone give me some information that a human can understand -- a human 

going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in his life.  ted cowan, 

alabama

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: motors

Hi Ted,

           As far as "I" know....If you have your "Repairmans Cert"



 You just log it in the proper log books.... and fly "off" another 40 hrs in



your original "approved" test area....



( because the engine isn't certified )

 Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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Jim ODay

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 61
Location: Fargo North Dakota

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: motors

On the E-LSA item, I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon with the FSDO to inspect my FSII.  I spoke with the inspector a couple of times on questions he had on my paperwork.  



Nothing has been asked about the "Condition Report" and I completed the inspection and paperwork and my signature is on the document.  I used the form I got from the EAA in the E-LSA Transition Kit.



The questions that have come up are:



Q:  "How much flight time is on the bird?"  A: More than 5 hours.

Q:  Will you agree to this entry in your log book, "-----"  (right out of the operating limitations published by the FAA)  A: Yes



That is it.  He said he did not see any other items.  He also told me that this is all new and the instructions he has for guidance new as well.  He has done some P Parachutes but this will be his first fixed wing unit.



I expect the actual inspection to be OK and tomorrow I will be legal.

do not archive

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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: motors

Ted, Clarify a few things for me if you would. Have you already been issued your experimental certificate and operation limitations?



Rick



On 8/14/07,  tc1917 <tc1917(at)hughes.net (tc1917(at)hughes.net)> wrote:[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "tc1917" < tc1917(at)hughes.net (tc1917(at)hughes.net)>



Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge.  I have

ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot.  I called the DAR who

 originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some info

that I dont quite understand.   Can anyone clarify for me the procedures for

changing this engine and prop?  I know I must report the change and put all 

the information as per the regs in the books but am not sure what the

paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is like trying to

read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on the road.  I 

think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info.  anyone done this

recently?

also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa

registering for their airworthiness cert.  something about having to have it 

inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to having an

airworthiness inspection.  an inspection before an inspection?  the dar says

that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop for us to jump 

through.  man, they sure make it easy to register and stay legal, dont they?

can someone give me some information that a human can understand -- a human

going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in his life.  ted cowan, 

when you live at the airport.  [quote][b]

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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: motors

oops, should be operating limitations.



Rick



On 8/14/07, Richard Girard <jindoguy(at)gmail.com (jindoguy(at)gmail.com)> wrote: [quote]Ted, Clarify a few things for me if you would. Have you already been issued your experimental certificate and operation limitations? 



Rick



On 8/14/07,  tc1917 <tc1917(at)hughes.net (tc1917(at)hughes.net)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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Got a question to anyone who has done this or has the knowledge.  I have

ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 on my slingshot.  I called the DAR who 

 originally inspected it for the airworthyness cert and he gave me some info

that I dont quite understand.   Can anyone clarify for me the procedures for

changing this engine and prop?  I know I must report the change and put all 

the information as per the regs in the books but am not sure what the

paperwork is and who to. Going through the FARs on line is like trying to

read the serial numbers on transaxles while they pass by on the road.  I 

think I have to call FSDO tomorrow and ask for some info.  anyone done this

recently?

also, just found out that there is a hornets next over certs for e-lsa

registering for their airworthiness cert.  something about having to have it 

inspected by the proper people for conditional inspection prior to having an

airworthiness inspection.  an inspection before an inspection?  the dar says

that this is something new and has to be done, another hoop for us to jump 

through.  man, they sure make it easy to register and stay legal, dont they?

can someone give me some information that a human can understand -- a human

going on 62 that has ingested too many gas fumes in his life.  ted cowan, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List  

takes on a whole new meaning 

when you live at the airport. 	


-- 

Rick Girard

"Ya'll drop on in"

takes on a whole new meaning

when you live at the airport.  [quote][b]

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Steven Green

Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 118

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: motors

Ted,



I made the switch from a 582 to 912S.  I called the FSDO and asked the same 

question.  (This was before LSA)  The best I recall it required the 

following:

New weight and balance.

New data plate on the plane.

5 hour test period.

Logbook entry stating that the plane still flys. (or something like that)



This is just from memory so I have probably missed something.



I bet you will love the 912.



Steven

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Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: motors

"tc1917" asked: << I have ordered a 912 UL to replace my 582 ... Can

anyone clarify for me the procedures for changing this engine and prop?

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Ted -



I went through the same process two years ago, when I swapped out the

Verner engine with a 912ul on my Mark-III.



Assuming your aircraft is registered as Experimental/Amateur-Built, the

FAA considers an engine change a "major" modification, and thus, you are

required to regress to your Phase-I flight test restrictions for a 5

hour period.  This means you gotta fly solo and stay in your 25-mile

radius of your home airport for the new 5-hour flight test period.  



After you verify that all is well with the new engine on your Slingshot,

you make the logbook entry stating so, and are then free to again

exercise all the regular privileges of your Phase-II Operating

Limitations.



You do everything (the modification, flight testing, logbook entries,

etc.).  The FAA does not need to be involved.  



p.s. - Good choice on the 912ul - you'll not regret your decision!



Dennis Kirby

Mark-III, 912ul

Cedar Crest, NM

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