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jcz(at)chello.at
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

.. is the thing that will be, and there is no new thing under the sun!"

(Willam Shakespeare)



Hi, Mike,



This posting of yours really has kicked me to come out from my lurking

status here on the list. Is that guy Kelly Meiste for real?



A good 20 years ago a man named Morgan Huntington made all the rage

throughout the Aviation press with an invention he named the "Lift Reserve

Indicator". When I began planning for the Kitfox I started to build in 1994

I closely studied that device because local regulations in my country insist

on even homebuilt airplanes be equipped with a stall detector.



At that time Mr. Huntington was an elderly gentleman already, living

somewhere in California if I remember correctly. I even contacted him

personally and we had several cordial and highly educational exchanges of

letters back and forth on various aspects of his gadget. Eventually however

I changed my plans and did not purchase from him. Since then I have lost any

contact with him, and I honestly doubt he could still be alive.



On reading your posting I did a quick Google search and after just a few

attempts I came up with this Web site:



http://www.liftreserve.com/



These people, located in Ohio, seem to be building and selling the true

thing - just have a look at their prices! As far as I get the impression it

must be a fairly new enterprise as their site seems still in construction.

The material displayed, however, is the entire bunch of articles,

references, discussions, and even drawings, from good old Mr. Huntington's

place.



I would hate to hurt anyone's feelings....... but I can't refrain from

having some slight doubts here!



Let's wait a few days and see if anyone else in the Kitfox crowd chimes in!



King reards to y'all on the List,



Johannes



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kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: Re:

looks like a cool deal, how much?

kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Johannes, glad that you are still lurking.  There are a few of us around from the last century.

  

 John Kerr

  

 [quote]-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Johannes Czernin" <jcz(at)chello.at> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Johannes Czernin" 

 

 ... is the thing that will be, and there is no new thing under the sun!" 

 (Willam Shakespeare) 

 

 Hi, Mike, 

 

 This posting of yours really has kicked me to come out from my lurking 

 status here on the list. Is that guy Kelly Meiste for real? 

 

 A good 20 years ago a man named Morgan Huntington made all the rage 

 throughout the Aviation press with an invention he named the "Lift Reserve 

 Indicator". When I began planning for the Kitfox I started to build in 1994 

 I closely studied that device because local regulations in my country insist 

 on even homebuilt airplanes be equipped with a stall detector.   

& gt; 
	


[quote] At that time Mr. Huntington was an elderly gentleman already, living 

 somewhere in California if I remember correctly. I even contacted him 

 personally and we had several cordial and highly educational exchanges of 

 letters back and forth on various aspects of his gadget. Eventually however 

 I changed my plans and did not purchase from him. Since then I have lost any 

 contact with him, and I honestly doubt he could still be alive. 

 

 On reading your posting I did a quick Google search and after just a few 

 attempts I came up with this Web site: 

 

 http://www.liftreserve.com/ 

 

 These people, located in Ohio, seem to be building and selling the true 

 thing - just have a look at their prices! As far as I get the impression it 

 must be a fairly new enterprise as their site seems still in construction. 

 The material displayed, however, is the entire bu  nch of  articles, 

 references, discussions, and even drawings, from good old Mr. Huntington's 

 place. 

 

 I would hate to hurt anyone's feelings....... but I can't refrain from 

 having some slight doubts here! 

 

 Let's wait a few days and see if anyone else in the Kitfox crowd chimes in! 

 

 King reards to y'all on the List, 

 

 Johannes 

 

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john(at)leptron.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Ok you guys,  

I am trying to get some work done, and you keep writing stuff…. First Johannes comes on line, well that is distracting as he (you) are a friendly face  from the past. Then, as if to reach through the screen and slap me, John, starts writing about his flight… well…….. I have been half-afraid to fly my beast, because of the wind damage last month, but that does it. I am going to fly 50 miles north and leave a bag of dog poop on john’s ramp in from of his hangar.. J   

Great story John, thanks.  

Johannes, it really is good to hear your “voice”again, how is your lovely wife?  

   

   

“Johannes, glad that you are still lurking.  There are a few of us around from the last century.”  

   

John Kerr  

   

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jcz(at)chello.at
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Hi,  John,

  

 There's  truly "no new thing under the sun". Yes, one only has to utter a mere beep and  BANG back come the real good, old friends again!  

  

 Just to  appease y'all let me tell you that though it's been almost a decade now that I'm  walking instead of flying I still haven't had the heart to cancel my  subscription to the List. And yes, I still read at least ALL of the headlines,  and I can assure you there's still a lot of interesting things for me worth the  time to actually read it!

  

 As to  your particularly specified question, John,..... well, she's charming as ever,  she hasn't got rid of me yet, and we're still in love just as much as back then  if not more. Her artistic skills are progressing in a lovely way, and if you  want to see what she's doing currently why not come and look her up  here:

  

 www.edel-czernin.at 

  

 You  will notice that specifically for you we've provided an English language section  parallel to the internationally totally uncomprehensible German one!   

  

 Kind  regards to all of you,

  

 Johannes

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Johannes,



My sentiments exactly.  I often think of the rudder cables...



Lowell

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Mdkitfox(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Johannes, et al,



 How nice to hear from a voice from the past!  Everything you mentioned  about Morgan Huntington is very true.  When I met him back in the  80's, I was an engineer in the Cockpit Technology Office at FAA HQ and he was an  old guy with an invention he was trying to sell (by having the FAA mandate  that it be in all aircraft.)  The flight standards folks had sent him to me  because they probably did not want to deal with him.  Morgan was very nice  and I might add, quite competent.  We went to Lee Airport in Annapolis  where he had a Cessna 150 equipped with his device.  We took off and he  kept that mush indicator, as he called it, right on the hairy edge of a  stall.  That old 150 must have had a 20+degree deck angle and was climbing  right on out.  When we got to a couple of thousand feet he let that needle  get in the red and the wing stalled as advertised.  Lower the nose and keep  the needle out of the red and she flew right out and continued to climb.   Okay, his device worked.  But, the FAA was never going to mandate it.   I sent Morgan to some friends I had at NASA's at Langley Research Center.   Bottom line, they put on an old 737 and sure enough, it worked there  to.  That was pretty much all I ever heard about the LRI until about 10  years ago at Oshkosh.  Seems Morgan had passed, but his family, I believe  it was a son, continued selling the device, but ran into a legal issue with  another fellow selling the same product under a different name.  They were  in competition, but I never did hear the results of the legal fray.  When I  told Morgan's son about my experience with his Dad, he was really moved.   He gave me a system and I have it installed in my Kitfox.  Now,if I can  just finish building the plane, I can find out if it works on the very  sophisticated Kitfox V.

  

 Rick  Weiss

 13 years and  still building - but the end is near!

Series V Speedster (Factory serial  number 1) N39RW



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jimlc

Joined: 19 Mar 2007
Posts: 21
Location: Loveland, CO

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

I have it installed on my Kitfox 5, but have  never completed my fly off time and I am now installing a Jabiru 3300  engine.  Therefore I have never gotten around to setting it up.  The  interesting thing is that last month at Oshkosh I came upon a booth where  they were selling the Lift Reserve Indicator.  It is the same unit I have  and the company is InAir Instruments LLC of Westerville, Ohio.  The  Internet site is www.liftreserve.com.  The owner is Al  Mojzisik.  I have his business card with all the information, but I am sure  it is available on the Internet site.

  

 Jim Crowder

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Michael Logan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 82

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Rick,

  

 Where can one buy one of  those mush meters?

  

 When are you ever going  to finish that plane?

  

 Mike Logan

 Series 5  N956ML



   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Mdkitfox(at)aol.com

Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:20  AM

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:  "The thing that hath been...

 

 Johannes, et al,



 How nice to hear from a voice from the past!  Everything you mentioned  about Morgan Huntington is very true.  When I met him back in the  80's, I was an engineer in the Cockpit Technology Office at FAA HQ and he was an  old guy with an invention he was trying to sell (by having the FAA mandate  that it be in all aircraft.)  The flight standards folks had sent him to me  because they probably did not want to deal with him.  Morgan was very nice  and I might add, quite competent.  We went to Lee Airport in Annapolis  where he had a Cessna 150 equipped with his device.  We took off and he  kept that mush indicator, as he called it, right on the hairy edge of a  stall.  That old 150 must have had a 20+degree deck angle and was climbing  right on out.  When we got to a couple of thousand feet he let that needle  get in the red and the wing stalled as advertised.  Lower the nose and keep  the needle out of the red and she flew right out and continued to climb.   Okay, his device worked.  But, the FAA was never going to mandate it.   I sent Morgan to some friends I had at NASA's at Langley Research Center.   Bottom line, they put on an old 737 and sure enough, it worked there  to.  That was pretty much all I ever heard about the LRI until about 10  years ago at Oshkosh.  Seems Morgan had passed, but his family, I believe  it was a son, continued selling the device, but ran into a legal issue with  another fellow selling the same product under a different name.  They were  in competition, but I never did hear the results of the legal fray.  When I  told Morgan's son about my experience with his Dad, he was really moved.   He gave me a system and I have it installed in my Kitfox.  Now,if I can  just finish building the plane, I can find out if it works on the very  sophisticated Kitfox V.

  

 Rick  Weiss

 13 years and still  building - but the end is near!

Series V Speedster (Factory serial number  1) N39RW



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kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: Re:

just so everybody knows, I love this product, I plan on calling and finding out how much.  I want it on my RV.  Makes more sense than the AOA if it does what it says it will, I just plain like it.

kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: Re:

Unit starts at 450.

Mdkitfox(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

In a message dated 8/17/2007 8:53:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  michael.logan(at)cox.net writes:

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		     Where can one buy one    of those mush meters?

	
  I have the one from Morgan, but I also have the electronic display  version.  You can see them at LRIAOA.COM  I'm not sure what the price  is.

  



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		     When are you ever going    to finish that plane?

	
  Good question.  I hope it will fly at end of September.

  

 How are you doing?  Where are you now?



 

  

 Rick

Series V Speedster - N39RW



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rjdaugh

Joined: 30 Aug 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: "The thing that hath been...

Hey, y'all, if you want to spend $450 for one of these things, you can.  But

if you want to spend $175 plus shipping, contact Kelly Meiste.  It is the

same thing.



KELLY MEISTE (EAA MEMBER 623517)

PHONE - (815) 684-9922

EMAIL - <mailto:kellymeiste(at)jcwifi.com> 

Old Morgan Huntington had a great idea.  It is too bad that he was not able

to gain better acceptance of his great instrument.  Actually it gives about

the same info as the AOA instruments on all military and commercial planes.

GA is slow to catch on.  I like this design because it requires no

electrical power (less to go wrong!) and If you lose your airspeed

indicator, you can fly fine with just this.  It is a great instrument and

can give you great confidence in turns etc.  The great thing is it still

works no matter what your loading, bank angle etc is.



Randy



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Kitfox 5/7 912S
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