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john_graham

Joined: 09 Aug 2007
Posts: 45
Location: Algonquin, IL

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: Oil additives

Is there any benefit (or possible detriment) to adding

something like Avblend to the 100W oil in the M-14P

engine?  This worked well in my Piper Cub J-3

Continental A-75 engine, but I realize the M-14 is a

different animal.  



Thanks,



John P. Graham

CubFlyer1940(at)Yahoo.com

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dandmaz(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: Oil additives

John,

Here at KDVT we have been using Avblend with Phillip 25X60W oil in MP-14 

engines for nine years, 1000 hours + flight time. Temperatures (Fahrenheit) 

30 to 115 , Airport field elevation 1500' ft  to 7000' ft . Work well for us 

also.



Don Andrews

N23YK

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: Oil additives

Not recommended John.  Switch to Philips 25W-60 oil.  It was specifically 

developed for radial engines.  Or continue to use Aeroshell 100W, but with 

NO additives.

Dennis



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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: Oil additives

On Aug 17, 2007, at 9:33 AM, John Graham wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Is there any benefit (or possible detriment) to adding

 something like Avblend to the 100W oil in the M-14P

 engine?  This worked well in my Piper Cub J-3

 Continental A-75 engine, but I realize the M-14 is a

 different animal.


	


Well, you have a "no" (Dennis) and a "yes" (Don). Now for the "maybe"  

answer. 



First thing to consider is that the aviation oils we have now are  

probably an order of magnitude better than the oils that the Chinese  

and the Russians were (are?) using. Just switching to something like  

Phillips 25W60 is already a huge win. Consider that both the Chinese  

and the Russians redline their oils at 80C while Shell and the like  

set their redline (inlet oil temp that is) at around 120C. In fact,  

they suggest that you don't operate their oils at less than 75C  

(which certainly goes against the recommendations of the Chinese and  

Russians). The Russians also say wait until oil temps are 30C before  

flying but the multi-vis oils are already flowing well at temps below  

that.



So there is a lot of latitude in here. I don't know if Avblend is  

going to help but clearly it won't hurt. If you are a belt-and- 

suspenders kind of guy, you might want to use it. OTOH, switching to  

a modern oil should be a must.



And this advice is worth every penny you paid for it. 

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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 178

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Oil additives

Use the 25-60 and you will see a drop in oil temp . 

Dale

dave(at)davelaird.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: Oil additives

Brian, it's so nice to have you back on the list!



Dave Laird

N63536  1983 CJ6A  "Betty"

Dallas

 	  Quote: 	
		   Well, you have a "no" (Dennis) and a "yes" (Don). Now for the  

 "maybe" answer. 



 First thing to consider is that the aviation oils we have now are  

 probably an order of magnitude better than the oils that the  

 Chinese and the Russians were (are?) using. Just switching to  

 something like Phillips 25W60 is already a huge win. Consider that  

 both the Chinese and the Russians redline their oils at 80C while  

 Shell and the like set their redline (inlet oil temp that is) at  

 around 120C. In fact, they suggest that you don't operate their  

 oils at less than 75C (which certainly goes against the  

 recommendations of the Chinese and Russians). The Russians also say  

 wait until oil temps are 30C before flying but the multi-vis oils  

 are already flowing well at temps below that.



 So there is a lot of latitude in here. I don't know if Avblend is  

 going to help but clearly it won't hurt. If you are a belt-and- 

 suspenders kind of guy, you might want to use it. OTOH, switching  

 to a modern oil should be a must.



 And this advice is worth every penny you paid for it.

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: Oil additives

On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Dave Laird wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Brian, it's so nice to have you back on the list!


	


Thanks.



--

Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

cpayne(at)joimail.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: Oil additives

"Avblend" is approved for certified aircraft. "Top Lube" is the brand name of the same product, from the same company. "Top Lube" sells for about a 1/3 less per can. Top Lube is also available with graphite, which I used when I was racing the CJ at Wide Full Open.

  

  

 Craig Payne

 cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)

  

  

 

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wild.blue(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: oil additives

Reminds of back in the late sixties (68?).  Graham Hill was asked if he thought using STP (car sponsor) at the Indy 500 (he won that year) was beneficial.  His response:  "It doesn't seem to hurt anything and they pay us a lot of money to put their logo on the car, so we use it."

  

 Jerry Painter

 Wild Blue Aviation

 425-876-0865

 flywba.com

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jandefinley(at)comcast.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: Oil Additives

Just another thread on Oil Additives. What with mention of Avblend and Top lube, what happened to the great MMO discussion???  I now use Aeroshell 100W+. It seems to have all the qualities I need.

 John

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