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Lanny Fetterman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 37
Location: Catawissa Pa.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: Need radio work

Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. 

I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I 

announce  where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the 

airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like 

yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with 

my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I 

have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my 

biennial flight review next year.

	 Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to 

talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything 

that I can use to learn radio skills.

  Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF



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Lanny Fetterman Firestar II N598LF

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: Need radio work

La--y

my co-fuser will -ot prit  " - " 's - the letter after "M". Sorry.  

Bloody aggravati-g!

I suggest you take a ha-dheld to a-y tower-co-trolled airport a-d  

simply liste- for as lo-g as you c a-. You'll hear both sides, a-d a  

lot of differe-t stuff. Could eve-  tape it & liste- to it a few  

times later.

Are-'t you the sled driver?

Good luck

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On Aug 17, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 	Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio  

 very much. I announce when I am about to enter the active runway  

 for take off, and I announce  where I am in the landing pattern.  

 ( I`m usually alone at the airport and no one is listening to me ,  

 but I announce anyway, kind of like yelling clear prop when no one  

 is within a country mile of me.) I flew with my instructor today  

 from an airport with a control tower and learned that I have very  

 poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my biennial  

 flight review next year.

 	 Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no  

 one to talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or  

 DVD or anything that I can use to learn radio skills.

  Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF



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jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Need radio work

Lanny, the FAR-Aim has a section in the AIM section on "Correct 

Phraseology", when using the radio both when talking to ATC & the 

Unicom.Also, a product called Comm 1 communications is available, but it 

will cost you about $100. bucks. The FAR-AIM is cheaper, but Comm1 lets you 

interact with your computer & I have seen them On E-Bay.

Further, your Flight reveiw, (According to the FAR`S) is supposed to include 

"One   Hour   of  flight Instruction, & one hour of ground    instruction" & 

the Manuvers & topics are up to the instructor. You already know, you can`t 

"Fail a flight review", but its up to the instructor to sign you of for the 

successful   completion of the flight  review. Why not let the instructor 

earn his money during the ground portion & help you with communication? 

You`re  going to pay him/her anyway.



Jim Kmet

MK-3C, CFII

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Need radio work

Lanny,



  I know it runs a few bucks, but I would imagine what you need is in this 

CD offered by KING SCHOOLS.   I am sure it has quite a few important 

additional pointers about airport ettiqette, charts, and a few other 

tidbits.



http://www.kingschools.com/ProductDetail.asp?itemNo=GOS%20CO25



  Funny story.    Back when I was taking flight training, I landed at 

Sacramento Executive Airport, with my instructor.   This was very early in 

my training, so my radio skills were, let's say "primitive."

Anyway, after we(I) pulled off the active runway I came to a stop, while my 

instructor showed me where to turn the radio to.  This, of course, takes 

almost a minute, so the airport "ground control" guy, not used to such 

amateur behavior, says to me, "Executive Ground, 52Alpha, are you planning 

on visiting with us today, or are you just planning on parking next to the 

runway?"   Having a very good sense of humor, I replied we wanted to go to 

the terminal.  He said, "ok, you do that"   I think it was just plain funny, 

at least it was at the time.



                                           Mike in SW Utah

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho(at)uplink.net>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Need radio work

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:37:51 -0400






	Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. 

I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I 

announce  where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the 

airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like 

yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with 

my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I 

have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my 

biennial flight review next year.

	 Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to 

talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything 

that I can use to learn radio skills.

  Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF



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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: Need radio work

Lanny, I learned to fly GA in the Seattle area where a lot of the small strips used the same CTAF (common traffic advisory frequency) and on any given day there was a lot of traffic within radio range. Here's a sample of what I was taught as the proper way to communicate my intentions. 



"Harvey traffic, Cessna 54088, 5 miles SW landing 16, full stop, Harvey."

"Harvey traffic, Cessna 088, downwind, right traffic 16, Harvey."

"Harvey traffic, Cessna 088 has cleared the active, Harvey". 



The idea is to get your intentions out as fast as possible to avoid tying up the radio frequency. By repeating the airport at the beginning and end of the transmission, you keep some poor pilot 40 miles away from wrenching his neck trying to find the plane that isn't there. 

Hope this helps.



Rick



On 8/17/07, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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  Lanny,



  I know it runs a few bucks, but I would imagine what you need is in this 

CD offered by KING SCHOOLS.   I am sure it has quite a few important

additional pointers about airport ettiqette, charts, and a few other

tidbits.



 http://www.kingschools.com/ProductDetail.asp?itemNo=GOS%20CO25



  Funny story.    Back when I was taking flight training, I landed at

Sacramento Executive Airport, with my instructor.   This was very early in 

my training, so my radio skills were, let's say "primitive."

Anyway, after we(I) pulled off the active runway I came to a stop, while my

instructor showed me where to turn the radio to.  This, of course, takes 

almost a minute, so the airport "ground control" guy, not used to such

amateur behavior, says to me, "Executive Ground, 52Alpha, are you planning

on visiting with us today, or are you just planning on parking next to the 

runway?"   Having a very good sense of humor, I replied we wanted to go to

the terminal.  He said, "ok, you do that"   I think it was just plain funny,

at least it was at the time.



                                           Mike in SW Utah 

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho(at)uplink.net (donaho(at)uplink.net)>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

To:  kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Need radio work

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:37:51 -0400



--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman < donaho(at)uplink.net (donaho(at)uplink.net)>



       Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much.

I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I

announce  where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the 

airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like

yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with

my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I 

have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my

biennial flight review next year.

        Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to

talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything 

that I can use to learn radio skills.

  Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF



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John Hauck

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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Need radio work

Rick G:

  

 I think the idea is to be brief and expedite, but  not so fast us senior citizens can not understand what you are  saying.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 [quote]    

The idea is to get your intentions out    as fast as possible to avoid tying up the radio frequency.  

Rick

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Need radio work

John, Who are you calling a senior citizen? I resemble that remark.



Rick



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On 8/17/07, John Hauck < jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:[quote]       Rick G:

  

 I think the idea is to be brief and expedite, but  not so fast us senior citizens can not understand what you are  saying.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 [quote]    

The idea is to get your intentions out    as fast as possible to avoid tying up the radio frequency.  

Rick

[b]  http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com 

when you live at the airport.  [quote][b]

possums(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Need radio work

At 06:02 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Lanny, the FAR-Aim has a section in the AIM section on "Correct 

PhraseologyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Steve,



I sure hope you know what you're allowing when you tell Stan to 

"feel free to bing all your Kin".\


	


[quote]To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: Need radio work



At 06:02 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote:

>

>

>Lanny, the FAR-Aim has a section in the AIM section on "Correct 

>Phraseology", when using the radio both when talking to ATC & the 

>Unicom.Also, a product called Comm 1 communications is available, 

>but it will cost you about $100. bucks. The FAR-AIM is cheaper, but 

>Comm1 lets you interact with your computer & I have seen them On E-Bay.

>Further, your Flight reveiw, (According to the FAR`S) is supposed 

>to include "One   Hour   of  flight Instruction, & one hour of 

>ground    instruction" & the Manuvers & topics are up to the 

>instructor. You already know, you can`t "Fail a flight review", but 

>its up to the instructor to sign you of for the 

>successful   completion of the flight  review. Why not let the 

>instructor earn his money during the ground portion & help you with 

>communication? You`re  going to pay him/her anyway.

>

>Jim Kmet

>MK-3C, CFII

>---

captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Need radio work

I solved my talking problems as a student by using the old Army of who where what.



Who = Kolb 123 student pilot,

where= 6 miles south east of Hardlanding airport

what = inbound for landing



Kinda placed me where I knew what to say and when.



Ron

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---- Lanny Fetterman <donaho(at)uplink.net> wrote: 



=============




	Hi All, The flying I do dosen`t require that I talk on my radio very much. 

I announce when I am about to enter the active runway for take off, and I 

announce  where I am in the landing pattern. ( I`m usually alone at the 

airport and no one is listening to me , but I announce anyway, kind of like 

yelling clear prop when no one is within a country mile of me.) I flew with 

my instructor today from an airport with a control tower and learned that I 

have very poor radio skills and will need to improve them before my 

biennial flight review next year.

	 Herein lies my problem, how do I sharpen my skills when I have no one to 

talk to when and where I fly? Can anyone recommend a CD or DVD or anything 

that I can use to learn radio skills.

  Thanks in advance Lanny Fetterman N598LF



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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Need radio work

Lanny,



Another way to get used to the radio, at least the listening and understanding part, is to go to 



www.liveatc.net 



and listen to the ATC at several airports. These are live broadcasts of actual aircraft/atc conversations. I'd try the smaller airports so you won't be overwhelmed. It also helps to pick one in your part of the country so the language is one you are accustomed to hearing. It is free and really helps you get used to the rhythm, order and cadence. 



I agree with John H., as we age our ability to understand rapid fire speech diminishes and there is nothing gained by being fast if you are not understood. Most of us fly from airports that are not all that busy anyway, so the need for speed is just not there. Be relaxed and speak in a normal conversational tone but leave out all the unnecessary words. As Sergeant Friday on Dragnet used to say, "Just the facts, M'am."

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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: Need radio work

Lanny et al, By fast I meant brief and succinct. You don't have to speak like a high school debater on a meth amphetamine buzz, just clear about your intentions. 

I don't need to tell ground control anything more than where I am and where I want to go.  I.E. "Renton ground, Cessna 54088 at BEFA with Zulu, taxi takeoff." 

What the ground controller now knows about Cessna 54088 is that it's at the Boeing Employees Flying Assn., The pilot has the latest ATIS information ( Zulu ), and he wants to taxi to the active runway to takeoff. 

It doesn't happen often, but I've heard controllers chew a pilot out in a not too pleasant manner after a rambling transmission. In one memorable case, the controller told the pilot to hold position until he had the ATIS info and knew what he wanted to do. He was still being held when I had finished a mile long taxi, done my runup, changed to tower frequency and done my first touch and go. 

Just remember that radio communications are simplex, that is, they aren't like a telephone where you can just talk over someone else. While you have the key open no one else can communicate on that frequency, even the pilot calling in with a life threatening emergency cannot get through if you're yakking it up. 



Rick



On 8/18/07, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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Lanny,



Another way to get used to the radio, at least the listening and understanding part, is to go to 



www.liveatc.net



and listen to the ATC at several airports. These are live broadcasts of actual aircraft/atc conversations. I'd try the smaller airports so you won't be overwhelmed. It also helps to pick one in your part of the country so the language is one you are accustomed to hearing. It is free and really helps you get used to the rhythm, order and cadence. 



I agree with John H., as we age our ability to understand rapid fire speech diminishes and there is nothing gained by being fast if you are not understood. Most of us fly from airports that are not all that busy anyway, so the need for speed is just not there. Be relaxed and speak in a normal conversational tone but leave out all the unnecessary words. As Sergeant Friday on Dragnet used to say, "Just the facts, M'am." 



--------

Thom in Buffalo

N197BG FS1/447



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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Need radio work

This is from Flying Tales of The Grey Baron:



Sayah Yo Reequest



The following interchange was overheard between Washington National  

Approach and a Southern Belle (the tail number has been changed to  

protect the innocent), and with apologies for attempting to reproduce  

her accent. The time is about 4PM on a weekday; a year before the  

strike. Approach is very busy with airline traffic. Marginal VFR.  

Turn off your squelch and listen:

				

“Washington Nashnul A-proach, this is Novembuh Oh-oh-oh Cholly Ho-tel  

about five miles from Washington. Wez now three point five. Ovah."

“Zero Charley Hotel, National Approach. What’s your request?”

“Washington Nashnul A-proach, Novembuh Oh-oh-oh Cholly Ho-tel is VFR,  

and we’d lak to lan’ at Washington Nashnul. Ovah.”

“Zero Hotel, say type aircraft and position.”

“Washington Nashnul A-proach this is  Novembuh Oh-oh-oh Cholly Ho- 

tel. We’uh a Pipuh Cherokee Six. It looks lak wez about ovah the  

bridge. Ovah.”

“Piper Charley Hotel. Maintain VFR. Squawk zero four fife two and  

ident.”

..and so on, with the Piper cluttering up the frequency with the  

complete tail number and message address each time. Meanwhile she  

descended without clearance to 1500 feet.



Approach in complete exasperation, tells her her transponder is not  

working. She turns it from STBY to ON.

She is again reporting “over a bridge,” and wanting landing  

instructions.

Approach, about to leave his tree, says: “Charley Hotel, we have  

maybe 15 bridges in the Washington area. Due to heavy traffic suggest  

you try Hyde Field or Washington Virginia airports. Frequency change  

approved. Good day."

regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

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Michael Sharp

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 118
Location: Oak Grove, MO (Kansas City)

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Need radio work

Gents,



I found in my stack of stuff last night a book on Radio procedures.  



"VFR Radio Procedures USA" Copyright 1997.  It covers patterns, Airspace class B,C,D,E,G, TRSA, Air traffic control center, Flight Service stations, emergency assistance etc.  and gives examples of radio procedures. Some of the info may be outdated but it would be a good start. 



 I'll PDF it today if anyone would like a copy send me an email off list and I'll shoot it out to you.  (it will be a pretty big file so I wouldn't want to send it though the list)



Later,

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