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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:34 am    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

Is there any benefit (or possible detriment) to adding
something like Avblend to the 100W oil in the M-14P
engine? This worked well in my Piper Cub J-3
Continental A-75 engine, but I realize the M-14 is a
different animal.

Thanks,

John P. Graham
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

John,
Here at KDVT we have been using Avblend with Phillip 25X60W oil in MP-14
engines for nine years, 1000 hours + flight time. Temperatures (Fahrenheit)
30 to 115 , Airport field elevation 1500' ft to 7000' ft . Work well for us
also.

Don Andrews
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

Not recommended John. Switch to Philips 25W-60 oil. It was specifically
developed for radial engines. Or continue to use Aeroshell 100W, but with
NO additives.
Dennis

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

On Aug 17, 2007, at 9:33 AM, John Graham wrote:

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Is there any benefit (or possible detriment) to adding
something like Avblend to the 100W oil in the M-14P
engine? This worked well in my Piper Cub J-3
Continental A-75 engine, but I realize the M-14 is a
different animal.

Well, you have a "no" (Dennis) and a "yes" (Don). Now for the "maybe"
answer. Smile

First thing to consider is that the aviation oils we have now are
probably an order of magnitude better than the oils that the Chinese
and the Russians were (are?) using. Just switching to something like
Phillips 25W60 is already a huge win. Consider that both the Chinese
and the Russians redline their oils at 80C while Shell and the like
set their redline (inlet oil temp that is) at around 120C. In fact,
they suggest that you don't operate their oils at less than 75C
(which certainly goes against the recommendations of the Chinese and
Russians). The Russians also say wait until oil temps are 30C before
flying but the multi-vis oils are already flowing well at temps below
that.

So there is a lot of latitude in here. I don't know if Avblend is
going to help but clearly it won't hurt. If you are a belt-and-
suspenders kind of guy, you might want to use it. OTOH, switching to
a modern oil should be a must.

And this advice is worth every penny you paid for it. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Oil additives Reply with quote

Use the 25-60 and you will see a drop in oil temp .
Dale


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

Brian, it's so nice to have you back on the list!

Dave Laird
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Quote:
Well, you have a "no" (Dennis) and a "yes" (Don). Now for the
"maybe" answer. Smile

First thing to consider is that the aviation oils we have now are
probably an order of magnitude better than the oils that the
Chinese and the Russians were (are?) using. Just switching to
something like Phillips 25W60 is already a huge win. Consider that
both the Chinese and the Russians redline their oils at 80C while
Shell and the like set their redline (inlet oil temp that is) at
around 120C. In fact, they suggest that you don't operate their
oils at less than 75C (which certainly goes against the
recommendations of the Chinese and Russians). The Russians also say
wait until oil temps are 30C before flying but the multi-vis oils
are already flowing well at temps below that.

So there is a lot of latitude in here. I don't know if Avblend is
going to help but clearly it won't hurt. If you are a belt-and-
suspenders kind of guy, you might want to use it. OTOH, switching
to a modern oil should be a must.

And this advice is worth every penny you paid for it. Wink


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:50 am    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Dave Laird wrote:

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Brian, it's so nice to have you back on the list!

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Oil additives Reply with quote

"Avblend" is approved for certified aircraft. "Top Lube" is the brand name of the same product, from the same company. "Top Lube" sells for about a 1/3 less per can. Top Lube is also available with graphite, which I used when I was racing the CJ at Wide Full Open.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: oil additives Reply with quote

Reminds of back in the late sixties (68?). Graham Hill was asked if he thought using STP (car sponsor) at the Indy 500 (he won that year) was beneficial. His response: "It doesn't seem to hurt anything and they pay us a lot of money to put their logo on the car, so we use it."

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Oil Additives Reply with quote

Just another thread on Oil Additives. What with mention of Avblend and Top lube, what happened to the great MMO discussion??? I now use Aeroshell 100W+. It seems to have all the qualities I need.
John
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