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promod69camaro

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

No comparison.  Titan is more of a go-somewhere airplane with good speed

and strength.  Kolb is more fun.  Some have been able to get them to go

around 90 mph.  I am lucky to get 70 with a 58 hp engine.  But, it is

the best of all airplanes at a slow cruise around 55-60.  If it had a

well designed fiberglass gear, it would be perfect.

JetPilot

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Posts: 1246

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

My MK 3 Xtra is very happy crusing around 75 MPH.   It will easily do 80 or more, but it seems to like the mid 70's, which is a nice low power setting on the Rotax 912-S, around 4600 RPM.



The MK-3 is very stable, and I would NEVER try to roll it, it wont roll fast enough.   The MK3 Xtra would be relaxing compared to a Titan, and a much better short field plane.   The MK 3 Xtra has a lot of lift, and you will get bounced around a lot in turbulance.  The Titan is much stronger, handles better in turbulance, and is faster, but requires much more of a longer and prepared runway.  The Titan will also kill you if you dont fly it correctly, it can be spun by accident...   The Kolb is much more forgiving, I have been teaching my wife stalls, and she has made every mistake you can think of and none resulted in a secondary stall, or more than a 15 degree bank.  I can jerk the Kolb around like a drunk fool at very slow airspeeds and it has never done anything buy fly well.



The Kolb is a little harder to land being a tail dragger, but thats the case with any tail dragger.  



Mike

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lucien

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

 	  JetPilot wrote: 	
		   The Titan will also kill you if you dont fly it correctly, it can be spun by accident...   

Mike 	




Could you elaborate on this statement?



LS

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

 	  JetPilot wrote: 	
		  My MK 3 Xtra is very happy crusing around 75 MPH.   It will easily do 80 or more, but it seems to like the mid 70's, which is a nice low power setting on the Rotax 912-S, around 4600 RPM.

Mike 	




What is your fuel burn at this power setting?

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

At 09:58 PM 8/22/07 -0700, you wrote:

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The Titan will also kill you if you dont fly it correctly, ...............

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MIke,



How is this different from any other aircraft?



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

I fly a MKIIIC but it is the same airplane just 10 MPH slower but my cruise 

is 75 MPH. The major difference between a Kolb and a Titan is that the Kolb 

is a STOL air plane it can easily get in and out of strips all day long that 

a Titan can only dream about. I would also like to say that Kolbs have VERY 

strong airframes and find it very difficult to believe the Titan is 

stronger. Anyone that has built a Kolb can attest to the lengths that Kolb 

went through to design a rugged air frame. Our flight history supports this 

claim.



Also Kolb now makes a very well designed optional spring steel landing gear 

that is superior to any fiberglass landing gear.



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Lucien will probably contribute more since he owns both (including

my former Titan SS).  I've flown a MK III a few times also.

	For the first 2 years I operated my Titans off of an 845' runway,

with power lines on one end.  Rarely needed over half of it unless I had to

come in hot because of gusty x-winds.  Lucien's SS will stall at 40 clean

and 34 with flaps.  Only slightly higher than a 912S-powered MKIII.  I love

the climb of the Kolbs, though.  Awesome.

	The Titan SS comes with titanium gear.  A huge improvement over

fiberglass, but for lighter planes, the fiberglass is more than enough.  As

for the fuselage being weaker, I don't know.  You can see them in the build

pictures of http://www.ultrafunairsports.com/titanss.htm and make your own

decision.

	More fun is subjective to interpretation.  I'd have just as much fun

with a 103-legal FireFly as a MKIII or a Tornado SS.  If only I could have

one of everything.  :>)

	Shawn, you've been on many lists over the last year with the same

questions, but the best thing to do is to go fly everything you can, once

you've defined your flying mission (what type of flying you want to do).



Hope that helps,



J.D. Stewart

UltraFun AirSports, LLC

http://www.ultrafunairsports.com

Titan e-mail list

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/



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 	  Quote: 	
		   I fly a MKIIIC but it is the same airplane just 10 MPH slower 

 but my cruise is 75 MPH. The major difference between a Kolb 

 and a Titan is that the Kolb is a STOL air plane it can 

 easily get in and out of strips all day long that a Titan can 

 only dream about. I would also like to say that Kolbs have 

 VERY strong airframes and find it very difficult to believe 

 the Titan is stronger. Anyone that has built a Kolb can 

 attest to the lengths that Kolb went through to design a 

 rugged air frame. Our flight history supports this claim.

 

 Also Kolb now makes a very well designed optional spring 

 steel landing gear that is superior to any fiberglass landing gear.

 

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC


	


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		   > 

 >

 > No comparison.  Titan is more of a go-somewhere airplane 

 with good speed

 > and strength.  Kolb is more fun.  Some have been able to 

 get them to go

 > around 90 mph.  I am lucky to get 70 with a 58 hp engine.  

 But, it is

 > the best of all airplanes at a slow cruise around 55-60.  

 If it had a

 > well designed fiberglass gear, it would be perfect.

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Jet Pilot,



Have you ever owned a Titan? The "Titan will kill you" comment was an irresponsible and unwarranted slam. All aircraft can kill you if not flown safely.



I have owned two Kolbs and one Titan. Both are great aircraft. Kolbs are better at short field but there are not many fields, including grass ones, that I would not fly a Tornado in and out of. The Tornado is faster in both cruise and roll response. If aerobatics are an important capability, the the Tornado wins easily. The two things I didn't like about the Titan was that the back seat in the Tornado II was too small, not the case in the larger Tornados. The other thing was I hated the tail being on the ground when parked. 



The prospective owner should answer three questions before deciding. 

1) Must you operate out of a field that is shorter than 1000' at low density altitudes at gross weight? If the answer is yes, then a Kolb is the better choice. At higher DA the length limit goes up. The runway length limit also depends upon which wing is on the Tornado. With runway lengths longer than this, then the question is moot.

2) Must you cruise at over 90 mph on a regular basis? If so, then the Tornado is the better choice. If this is not important then this question is moot.

3) Must you be able to fly at 50 mph comfortably for extended periods of time? If so, then the Kolb is better suited for this.



If all of these are answered in the negative, then you must decide on personal preference or other criteria, because both aircraft (assuming 2 seats with 80 hp or more) will cruise comfortably at 80+ mph and both will operate comfortably from a 1,000' field at low DA at gross, unless the Titan has the very short 20' wing, like mine had. I operated comfortably from 1,000' field solo, but not at gross with the short wing.

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Happy to hear that Kolb makes a new spring steel langing gear.  I

definitely will contact them. Their previous gear leg was made of 4130

steel and would transfer hard landing loads to the fuselage frame

sockets, which are very hard to fix if bent.  The original 7075 aluminum

was weak, but it did save the fuselage socket area.  And, they will

rebend a couple of time before they fail.  I suggest tension lines

between the wheel axles if one intends to do full stall landings.  Wheel

landings are definitely easier on the gear legs.  Big soft tires also

benefit the gear legs such as the golf cart tires called Surf Glide sold

at Les Schwab.

promod69camaro

Joined: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 14

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Thanks for the information.  The reason I have joined several groups is because that is the best way to get information.  The Titan group members love their Titans.  The Sonex group has Monnett warshipers.  They love those little planes eventhough they look strange and are very small.

The reality is that the Kolb better fits my situation except for the trips to my fathers farm.  Its located right outside of Altus Oklahoma in the middle of nowhere.  He is getting old and it would be nice to fly out to help when weather permitts.  The drive across Dallas on a Friday afternoon can take 3 to 4 hours or more depending on how many wrecks I get behind.  Then I still have a 3 to 4 hour drive ahead of me.  Its only a 200 mile drive.  With an airplane, it would be more like a 150 mile fly.  But there asways seems to be a wind at one of our places, so I will have to contend with windy landings, some of which would be cross winds.  And with the Kolb, I may be able to land on a road going through the wheat field.  That would be nice, and probably not advisable in a Titan because of the trike gear.

I want to be able to fly the plane like a fighter plane.  Dive into a river and follow it.  Maybe a loop from time to time.

So you can see that I have two missions.  One is fun, the other is transportation around 200 miles (150 in the air).

The other thing I like about the Kolb is that you guys are very interested in alternative engines.  I just can't see paying for a Rotax 912S at the current prices.  You guys have found many ways to get around that without durability issues.  Its nice to meet such a group of resourceful individuals.  Not many Titans are equipped with alternative engines, so if you try, you are the one blazing the trail.  As you know, that is a lot of work and can be very dangerous.

Thanks,

Shawn

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JetPilot

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Posts: 1246

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Shawn,



The Titan would be better in crosswinds, because of the tricycle gear.   Landing a Kolb in a crosswind is tricky, as with any taildragger.  With taildraggers, ground loops happen, its just a matter of time.  I would never never loop, spin, or roll a Kolb, they are not made for that.  With a flat bottom wing, and a huge amount of lift, air loads build up very quick and you can get a huge amount of G loading at even moderate airpseeds and a small change in pitch.  Bottom line, forget about any kind of aerbatics with a Kolb.



Also the Titan airframe is just much stronger.  Contrary to what some might say, the Kolb can not compare to the all metal Titan wing in streingth.   If I was going to go to my fathers farm reliably on a regular basis, I would drive.  By the time you get to the airport, preflight, etc. etc. you would almost be there in your car.   When you factor waiting for weather which will happen sooner or later, the car is faster.  People really get themselves into trouble thinking of light aircraft as "transportation", they get somewhere, and then make bad choices trying to get back in bad conditions.  If I wanted an airplane I could fly in worse weather though, the Titan would handle the margional weather and summertime turbulance better than a Kolb would.



Engines,  the 912 is worth the 16,000 period.   People spend so much time and hassle with alternative engines, they would have been better off just to pay what a 912 or a Jabiru costs.   If you can not afford that, should probably wait until you can.



Mike Bigelow

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Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

I took a chance and tried the Geo Metro G10 engine a few years ago.  For

some reason, I decided to go with the Raven conversion.  Thanks to

Jeron's continuing help at Raven Re-drive, I was able to get it

installed on the Kolb Mark III Classic and tuned to perfection.  It has

turned out to have 4 cycle reliability, easy to maintain, quite a lot of

power (approx. the same as a 582 Rotax at about a 20 lb. penalty),

excellent thrust with an Ivo 3 blade 70" dia prop, fuel economy and at a

cost of somewhere around $5000.  I am glad that I listened to those who

are equally satisfied with their Geo conversion and regularly express

their views on the Fly Geo site.

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Mike, I guess I was lucky. When I was learning to fly GA aircraft, I was never allowed to do a crabbed landing. Spence always made my keep lined up with the runway centerline by cross controlling. Darn good thing, too,  because I don't think I've ever landed my Kolb in anything but a cross wind. When I first flew my Mk IIIC the only trouble I encountered, as I've documented here, was trying to land in a three point stance. Once Travis, at TNK, told me to stop doing that and wheel it on, my problems went away. A Kolb has it's idiosyncrasies but all taken together, it's about the gentlest, most forgiving plane you can buy or build. 

I'm going to go knock on wood, now. 

Another thing Shawn might consider is how easy it is to get in and out of a Mk III. Should your Dad ever want to take a ride around the patch you'll really appreciate that. I just spent a week clamoring in and out of a Challenger II. Once I was in, it was a pretty comfy fit, but getting in and out was like the proverbial monkey and the football. Evaluate your choice on that criteria, too. 



Rick



On 8/23/07, JetPilot <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com (orcabonita(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com (orcabonita(at)hotmail.com)>



Shawn,



The Titan would be better in crosswinds, because of the tricycle gear.   Landing a Kolb in a crosswind is tricky, as with any taildragger.  With taildraggers, ground loops happen, its just a matter of time.  I would never never loop, spin, or roll a Kolb, they are not made for that.  With a flat bottom wing, and a huge amount of lift, air loads build up very quick and you can get a huge amount of G loading at even moderate airpseeds and a small change in pitch.  Bottom line, forget about any kind of aerbatics with a Kolb. 



Also the Titan airframe is just much stronger.  Contrary to what some might say, the Kolb can not compare to the all metal Titan wing in streingth.   If I was going to go to my fathers farm reliably on a regular basis, I would drive.  By the time you get to the airport, preflight, etc. etc. you would almost be there in your car.   When you factor waiting for weather which will happen sooner or later, the car is faster.  People really get themselves into trouble thinking of light aircraft as "transportation", they get somewhere, and then make bad choices trying to get back in bad conditions.  If I wanted an airplane I could fly in worse weather though, the Titan would handle the margional weather and summertime turbulance better than a Kolb would. 



Engines,  the 912 is worth the 16,000 period.   People spend so much time and hassle with alternative engines, they would have been better off just to pay what a 912 or a Jabiru costs.   If you can not afford that, should probably wait until you can. 



Mike Bigelow



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"NO FEAR" -  If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!



Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S





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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Shawn,

I'm in Plano if you want to ride in a Xtra. What is your weight?

David

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "promod69camaro" <shawn-bishop(at)verizon.net>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:44:36 -0700




<shawn-bishop(at)verizon.net>



Thanks for the information.  The reason I have joined several groups is 

because that is the best way to get information.  The Titan group members 

love their Titans.  The Sonex group has Monnett warshipers.  They love 

those little planes eventhough they look strange and are very small.

The reality is that the Kolb better fits my situation except for the trips 

to my fathers farm.  Its located right outside of Altus Oklahoma in the 

middle of nowhere.  He is getting old and it would be nice to fly out to 

help when weather permitts.  The drive across Dallas on a Friday afternoon 

can take 3 to 4 hours or more depending on how many wrecks I get behind.  

Then I still have a 3 to 4 hour drive ahead of me.  Its only a 200 mile 

drive.  With an airplane, it would be more like a 150 mile fly.  But there 

asways seems to be a wind at one of our places, so I will have to contend 

with windy landings, some of which would be cross winds.  And with the 

Kolb, I may be able to land on a road going through the wheat field.  That 

would be nice, and probably not advisable in a Titan because of the trike 

gear.

I want to be able to fly the plane like a fighter plane.  Dive into a river 

and follow it.  Maybe a loop from time to time.

So you can see that I have two missions.  One is fun, the other is 

transportation around 200 miles (150 in the air).

The other thing I like about the Kolb is that you guys are very interested 

in alternative engines.  I just can't see paying for a Rotax 912S at the 

current prices.  You guys have found many ways to get around that without 

durability issues.  Its nice to meet such a group of resourceful 

individuals.  Not many Titans are equipped with alternative engines, so if 

you try, you are the one blazing the trail.  As you know, that is a lot of 

work and can be very dangerous.

Thanks,

Shawn



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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

In a message dated 8/23/2007 12:59:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:

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		  I have    been teaching my wife stalls, and she has made every mistake you can think of    	
  

  

 

 can jerk the Kolb around like a drunk fool at very slow airspeeds 

  

 Mike,

 Are these two lines related?      Sorry, couldn't  resist   (-:

  

 steve

  

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promod69camaro

Joined: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 14

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Hi David,

I way 195 out of the shower, so probably 210 full dressed.  I would very much appreciate a take up if possible.  The weather has been difficult for flying this spring and summer with all the thunderstorm, so I am eger to get back up.

Thanks,

Shawn

You can call me at 972-740-3240 if you would like.

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promod69camaro

Joined: 22 Aug 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please.

The other thing I like about the Kolb is that you can take down the wings and use a trailer for the hanger.  I have an enclosed race car trailer that can become home.  I can store it at the airport in the trailer and save a lot of money.  Hanger rent here is very expensive

Seeing the video of the Kolb being taken down was what peaked my interest in this aircraft to start with.  And its nice to be a side by side where my kids can look me in the face while we fly.  It just does not sound as if its a good fit at all to take a short trip with.

I need two planes.  One fast and the other fun!!

I don't really consider driving to be a good option.  The traffic not only makes the drive twice as long as it has to be, but it makes it dangerous.  I have been rear ended 4 times in my life.  3 were here in Dallas, and 2 were drivers moving very fast.  I was put into the hospital twice and got serious back, neck, and head injuries with the last hit.  So I am not sure its safer to drive.  My doctors have told me that head injuries are cumulative and that the next one will be worse than the previous one.  I just can't imagine that.  But I want to protect myself from those drunks out there that seem intent on hurting me.  I guess its just bad luck.

Thanks for all the input everyone.  I am going to keep investigating alternate ways to power a light plane.  I would like that decision made before I get one.

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

At 02:21 PM 8/23/2007, Richard Girard wrote:

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		  Mike, I guess I was lucky. When I was learning to fly GA aircraft, I was never allowed to do a crabbed landing. Spence always made my keep lined up with the runway centerline by cross controlling. 	  Quote: 	
		  ..

	
	


 Funny, when I learned to fly (in C-150's) it was just the opposite; all they taught was the "crab and kick it straight" method, I guess because the school was mainly interested in training commercial pilots.  It wasn't until after I got my licence and got checked out in C-172's from an FBO in another state that their instructor taught me the wing low method... a must on their short narrow runway, and critical once I started flying taildraggers.



 I'm guessing the Ultrastar will be happier with 3-point landings than the low boom Kolbs?



                                 -Dana



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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: Need Kolb M3X information please.

Dana, Ask Travis at TNK. Although he doesn't fly, even Denny admits he really knows the aircraft. I still think he's a genius, if for no other reason than I no longer have to straighten main gear on Mr. Press anymore. 



Rick



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On 8/23/07, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote]  At 02:21 PM 8/23/2007, Richard Girard wrote:

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		  Mike, I guess I was lucky. When I was learning to fly GA aircraft, I was never allowed to do a crabbed landing. Spence always made my keep lined up with the runway centerline by cross controlling. 	  Quote: 	
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 Funny, when I learned to fly (in C-150's) it was just the opposite; all they taught was the "crab and kick it straight" method, I guess because the school was mainly interested in training commercial pilots.  It wasn't until after I got my licence and got checked out in C-172's from an FBO in another state that their instructor taught me the wing low method... a must on their short narrow runway, and critical once I started flying taildraggers.



 I'm guessing the Ultrastar will be happier with 3-point landings than the low boom Kolbs?



                                 -Dana



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