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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: Sunshades revisited

Has anyone recently (last two years or so) put a Koger shade in a 601XL? The website for the Koger shade only lists models for the RV7 and RV8 as far as I can tell. There was a post in the archives quite a while back referring to a Koger shade in a 601 but nobody has talked about it since.



Anyone have recent info on the subject?



Dred

610XL/Jabiru

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: Sunshades revisited

I put one in my Zodiac this year. I bought it from someone on the list. I saw another Zodiac owner installing one on his plane at Oshkosh this year, he bought it at the show. I don't recall if I still have the box mine came in to get a part number or such off of. It may be the same as the one for the RV7 since both planes are side by side seating.



On Aug 30, 2007, at 4:03 PM, <dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net)> <dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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Has anyone recently (last two years or so) put a Koger shade in a 601XL? The website for the Koger shade only lists models for the RV7 and RV8 as far as I can tell. There was a post in the archives quite a while back referring to a Koger shade in a 601 but nobody has talked about it since.

Anyone have recent info on the subject?

Dred

610XL/Jabiru

	






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rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

 	  dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote: 	
		  Has anyone recently (last two years or so) put a Koger shade in a 601XL? The website for the Koger shade only lists models for the RV7 and RV8 as far as I can tell. There was a post in the archives quite a while back referring to a Koger shade in a 601 but nobody has talked about it since.



Anyone have recent info on the subject?



Dred

610XL/Jabiru 	




I bought one from Koger a couple of months ago. The RV style fits our Zodiac bubbles just fine. 

I LOVE it! One of the best accessories I've bought for One Zulu Romeo



Rick Pitcher

dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: Sunshades revisited

Rick, was it an RV7 style shade? That would seem to me to be too short in the fore and aft direction. The RV7 has a rollover protection structure right behind the pilots so it has to stop there. We have a good bit more clear canopy going rearward from that point. Does the RV7 style shade do the job adequately for you?



Dred



---- rickpitcher <zodie(at)adelphia.net> wrote: 

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   I bought one from Koger a couple of months ago. The RV style fits our Zodiac bubbles just fine. 

 I LOVE it! One of the best accessories I've bought for One Zulu Romeo

 

 Rick Pitcher

rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

 	  dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote: 	
		  Rick, was it an RV7 style shade? That would seem to me to be too short in the fore and aft direction. The RV7 has a rollover protection structure right behind the pilots so it has to stop there. We have a good bit more clear canopy going rearward from that point. Does the RV7 style shade do the job adequately for you?



Dred

---- rickpitcher <zodie> wrote: 

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   I bought one from Koger a couple of months ago. The RV style fits our Zodiac bubbles just fine. 

 I LOVE it! One of the best accessories I've bought for One Zulu Romeo

 

 Rick Pitcher



	
	




I think he said it was for an RV6. 

Send an email to :r.koger(at)mchsi.com and tell him you want a shade for the Zodiac. He knows which one we need.



Rick

rickpitcher

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 76

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

 	  rickpitcher wrote: 	
		   	  dredmoody(at)cox.net wrote: 	
		  Rick, was it an RV7 style shade? That would seem to me to be too short in the fore and aft direction. The RV7 has a rollover protection structure right behind the pilots so it has to stop there. We have a good bit more clear canopy going rearward from that point. Does the RV7 style shade do the job adequately for you?



Dred

---- rickpitcher <zodie> wrote: 

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   I bought one from Koger a couple of months ago. The RV style fits our Zodiac bubbles just fine. 

 I LOVE it! One of the best accessories I've bought for One Zulu Romeo

 

 Rick Pitcher



	
	




I think he said it was for an RV6. 

Send an email to :r.koger(at)mchsi.com and tell him you want a shade for the Zodiac. He knows which one we need.



Rick 	




Here's their webpage: http://cleavelandtool.com/kogercompany/sunshade.htm

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Sunshades revisited

Dred,

     My dad Bob ordered and installed one of the Koger shades in my ZodiacXL 

about five months ago and it is too small.  It does a fair job but should be 

just a little wider and about 9 inches longer.  He worked with Ralph on a 

suitable design for the ZodiacXL after he bought mine by designing one 

specifically for the ZodiacXL and sent him the dimensions.  If you e-mail 

him at r.koger(at)mchsi.com,  he should have the proper dimensions to make you 

a shade that will provide maximum shade.  Mention my dad's name, Bob Stone 

and remind him that he was sent the proper dimensions



Tracy Stone

Harker Heights, Tx

ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300



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alex_01

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Posts: 33

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

my one is perfect see pic bought from cleveland tools

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Sunshades revisited

alex,

how is it stuck on?



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alex_01

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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

with a kind of a double side tape short strips (slightl foamy) about 2" long.

was ok but not really strong enought when parked outside in the sun.

i got some more from 3M it is used to stick mirrowglass to the wall on tiles etc. 

used over the full lenght and perfect

i bought a 2nd one for my friend here who has my old xl and he had similar problems but now also ok.

Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 488
Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

Has anyone tried little suction cups to support the rail?  That way it would be removable.



Tim

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: Sunshades revisited

I've tried the suction cup mounted sunshades in my plane, the little square ones about 18" square. They kept falling off because the suction cups wouldn't hold. I seriously doubt any suction cups would hold the Koger sunshades in place for long. 

If you thoroughly clean the surfaces before applying and carefully bend the aluminum rail to match the curve of the canopy, the 3M double sided tape should hold the sunshade in place with no trouble. I've seen no signs of mine coming loose so far.



As far as being removable is concerned, the Koger sunshade can be easily removed, leaving just the narrow aluminum center frame behind.



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Has anyone tried little suction cups to support the rail?  That way it would be removable.

Tim

	






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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.

 



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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: Sunshades revisited

Bryan,

      You are right about the  suction cup shades coming off.  I have the RV-7 shade installed in my  ZodiacXL and it does not cover the last part of the canopy so I use two of the  black 18 inch square suction cup shades and the right one seems to be holding  very well but the left one is always falling off.  As for the Koger center  rail, it glues on after being bent to match the conture of the canopy and I  don't think you could pull it off without destroying the canopy.  My  dad sent Ralph Koger an e-mail some time ago with a drawing of a shade with  dimensions suitable for the ZodiacXL so he should have shades that will fit by  now.

  

 Tracy Stone

 Harker Heights, Tx

 ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: Sunshades revisited

Alex,

did you buy the 3m doub le side tape on line, ? where would you recommend?



Juan



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alex_01

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Sunshades revisited

Hello Juan,



I got mine here in Germany we have it in our workshop,

but please look here this should help you



http://www.tesatape.com/professional/industry/products/doubl4249/doubl4300/46800.html



and i looked for you where you could order online

http://www.pamarcoglobal.com/flexo-pages/_body-flexo-content8-02c.htm



TESA 4977 will do the job perfect

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: Sunshades revisited

The tape that was supplied with my sunshade has held up well so far. Just make sure to adjust the bend of the rail to closely match the curve of the canopy to reduce the stress on the tape and thouroghly clean the surfaces before attaching. If you need to buy attachment tapes, they are probably available at you your local auto parts store or auto body shop. The 3M AcrylicPlus tape looks good for this application. 

See: http://tinyurl.com/2fjbn8

Here are some on-line sources for attachment tape if you don't mind paying the shipping:

Amazon.com: http://tinyurl.com/2hhlyk



JCWhitney also caries attachment tape: http://tinyurl.com/ywzggr



Some eBay stores also sell it.



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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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dasduck(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: Sunshades revisited

Regarding the Koger Sunshades - I installed one in my RV-6 Tip-up canopy

very early in his production, 1995 or 6?

Anyway, I have never had any issue with it of any kind, the sticky strips

are still sticky, the slide still slides.

I use it all the time - extended for taxi/ground work, pulled back for

takoff and pattern work.

The only time it doesan't cover enough is cross country where you are at

altitude on a sunny day.

I usually just put a map up under the edge of it to block the side sun if

it's an issue (one of those small suction cup shades may be better for that

side sun than a map .

The fact that it's always there and so easy to extend/retract, makes it

worth the price IMO.

Don

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