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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Has anyone installed  one of the Lancair panels with the Throttle quadrant? 

  

  

I am looking for  pictures of one. 

  

Thanks, 

  

Rob  Hickman 

N402RH RV-10 Finish  Kit.



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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Here are a few.  Let me know if you want more offline.  I moved the console back about 1" from what 

 the stock setting is to give my hand more room between the throttle and dimmer knobs. This 

 also meant all new custom cables for the throttle.  

 

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com  



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Scott Schmidt has and it’s a beauty.  I will forward a shot direct to your email address.  Scott can give more details.  

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:57 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Lancair Panel  

  

     

Has anyone installed one of the Lancair panels with the Throttle quadrant?  

   

   

I am looking for pictures of one.  

   

Thanks,  

   

Rob  Hickman  

N402RH RV-10 Finish Kit.  

  



 

         

  

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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 336
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Lancair Panel

Scott,



where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length required?

I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3 inches back. I also had to  construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant (see attached CAD pictures).



Michael



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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Michael,



John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables

made.  Check with him.



On another note...



In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are

planning a very similar panel.  Are your paper printout instruments to

scale?  How did you do that?  If the graphics are already to scale that you

have can you email me the files to print maybe?



-Ben

Portland, OR

#40579



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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Michael,



Based on the position of your avionics stack you may want to check the clearance with the middle bracket.  The depth of the Garmin 430 with connector is 11 inches and if you leave your stack in that position, you would have to cut a LOT of the middle bracket away.  The Garmin 330 is also lengthy at 11.5 inches.  The distance between the instrument panel and the middle panel is 9.5 inches.  For this reason, I left the middle bracket untouched and put my avionics stack just to the right of it.



http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/91Panel/index.html



http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage31s.html



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 



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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then started taking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop and started laying different ideas out.  

 I used Photoshop to reduce different pictures from the Internet. 

 I think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by the time I was finished.  

  

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com  



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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

What I did was hook up the cables that Van's sent me to the engine side and then measured the additional length I would need to tie them into the throttle quadrant.  

 I called Van's direct and they took the old cables back, and ordered new custom cables.  They said it could be 4 weeks but showed up in about 10 days. 

 

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com  



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

Scott’s approach is not unlike that used by Jim Hergert in his national award winning N6XE (Sexy).  Once your conceptual plan is developed, put it to construction board or thin gatorboard and begin working the ergonomics and functional reach issues.  A few hours conceptually flying your conceptual panel will save hundreds in actual installation and years of flying enjoyment.  

   

I believe Tim could even chime in on how many iterations he used to get it right. It doesn’t hurt opening the discussion to a handful of close friends to find potential weaknesses in design.  

   

Don’t forget serviceability after you put down your manufacturer hat.  

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt

 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:15 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Lancair Panel  

  

       

Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then started taking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop and started laying different ideas out.    

    

I used Photoshop to reduce different pictures from the Internet.   

    

I think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by the time I was finished.    

    

   

  

Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com     

     

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 From: Ben Westfall <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:25:37 PM

 Subject: RE: Re: Lancair Panel    

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>

 

 Michael,

 

 John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables

 made.  Check with him.

 

 On another note...

 

 In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are

 planning a very similar panel.  Are your paper printout instruments to

 scale?  How did you do that?  If the graphics are already to scale that you

 have can you email me the files to print maybe?

 

 -Ben

   Portland, OR

 #40579

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

I got mine right the first time.  I just threw all the photo cutouts

down and cut the holes where they landed.    Actually, I think

I went through something like 26 revisions on the PC, bouncing

them off a few experts in the process, just getting the ergonomic

concepts developed.  Then, I made the 100% full-scale cutouts

and cut a cardboard panel with all screw holes traced in proper

location, and cut it out to fit in the plane.  Then, I worked

to 1/16" resolution moving the cutouts around to verify clearance

from screws, nutplates, ribs, edges, overlapping pieces, and everything

that could get in the way, to ensure that what I was dreaming up

would actually fit, and fit in the closest to perfect location

that I could find.  (i.e. trying to do things like keeping the EFIS

screens as high up on the panel as possible, and trying to keep

the radio stack as high up as possible without interfering with

the center rib)  Once I had everything on cardboard in position

with proper clearances, I placed the cardboard in position in

the plane with the upper fwd fuselage installed, and installed

cushions on the seats and everything so my seated height

would be about right.  The rudder pedals were put in also, to

ensure that I was seated in a close approximation to where I'd

really be while flying.  Then, I verified that it all felt right,

and all switches were in locations I was happy with, and that

they wouldn't interfere with movements, that some were immediately

accessible (fuel boost, flaps, ...) with hands on the throttle.

So 26 computer-based revs, and then probably only 1 or 2 major

revs on cardboard, but with oodles of time spent tweaking positions

and some minor layouts.  At that point, it was THEN a

"got it right the first time" job when I went to cut metal.  At

this point, I couldn't be happier with the layout, and people

who have had the opportunity to sit and fly behind it seem to

like how it came together.



It's definitely the part of the plane you want to spend the most

time thinking about.  There's NO other piece of the plane that

you'll spend more time looking at, touching, and utilizing

than the panel.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

John W. Cox wrote:

[quote] Scott’s approach is not unlike that used by Jim Hergert in his national 

 award winning N6XE (Sexy).  Once your conceptual plan is developed, put 

 it to construction board or thin gatorboard and begin working the 

 ergonomics and functional reach issues.  A few hours conceptually flying 

 your conceptual panel will save hundreds in actual installation and 

 years of flying enjoyment.

 

  

 

 I believe Tim could even chime in on how many iterations he used to get 

 it right. It doesn’t hurt opening the discussion to a handful of close 

 friends to find potential weaknesses in design.

 

  

 

 Don’t forget serviceability after you put down your manufacturer hat.

 

  

 

 John

 

  

 

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 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt

 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:15 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: Re: Lancair Panel

 

  

 

 Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then 

 started taking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop 

 and started laying different ideas out. 

 

 I used Photoshop to reduce different pictures from the Internet.

 

 I think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by the time I was finished. 

 

  

 

 Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

 

  

 

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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Lancair Panel

I used a similar strategy to Tim, but used plexi instead of cardboard.

The instruments were installed in the plexi and I could easily see any

obstructions behind the panel.  Once everything fit and felt right -

panel cuttin' time.  Result is an ergonomic solution with 3 GRT screens

and backup steam gauges with no mods required to the F-1044 or F-1045

ribs.



Ron

187 finishing (does it ever end?????)



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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 336
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Lancair Panel

Thanks for the advice guys,



I actually just pinned some pictures of my desired avionics on the panel to get a more realistic feel while making plane noises 



I am currently designing my panel also in the 3D CAD system but once I have a virtually solution I will transfer it into scale pictures and put it into the cockpit. I had to wait until I can sit in the plane to really feel the distance and ergonomics. 

I bought the VP-200 and in Osh and now have to see where I will put it.



Maintenance accessibility is important, how many times did you guys (flying) had to open the tunnel so far and what for?



Michael

Since I got some requests about the avionic stack pictures I attached the file for printout. However I donÂ´t know if this is to scale because it is a Visio file originally. 



www.wellenzohn.net

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john_rv10(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: Lancair Panel

Rob,  

   

The attached photo of an early Lancair panel with a quadrant is from Tony Sustare of Accuracy Avionics.   

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman(at)aol.com

 Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2007 6:57 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Lancair Panel  

  

     

Has anyone installed one of the Lancair panels with the Throttle quadrant?  

   

   

I am looking for pictures of one.  

   

Thanks,  

   

Rob Hickman  

N402RH RV-10 Finish Kit.  

  



 

         

  

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