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ropermike

Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 40
Location: West Texas, South Mississippi

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: ELT Installation

Hello guys! Once again I come to draw upon your ultimate wisdom. I am getting my Mkll ready for my E-LSA flightworthy inspection. I have ordered an AmeriKing AK-450 ELT. Where is the best place to install it? Thanks in advance....Mike

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John H Murphy

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 78
Location: Henderson, NV

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

I have the same ELT. Need the same info. for my Firestar II. I understand the remote is not an option - but a requirement. Not sure if I have enough real estate on my dash.

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Here is a picture of the ELT location on the FSII. The remote switch is on the side of the fuselage ahead of the throttle lever, can shoot you a picture tomorrow if you want.

http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20Hot%20Box.html



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

a58r(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: ELT Installation

As a faa-ticketed mech, I have installed a bunch of ELTs in GAs, some  

were AKs. The main point is to make certain the box is very securely  

bolted/fastened to the airframe...Ty-raps are NG. The box has to  

"feel" the sudden stop/crash to get a signal out of it. I bolted or  

riveted the mount longitudinally to a primary structure. The panel  

control can be mounted most anywhere. Until anyone gets over the leg- 

bending, maybe they oughta switch to OFF on landing!



regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/

ropermike

Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 40
Location: West Texas, South Mississippi

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Thanks for the help guys. What is this about a required remote switch? My DAR did not mention this to me.....Thanks, Mike

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John H Murphy

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 78
Location: Henderson, NV

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

In regards to the remote. I was told by a DAR that it is required and it must be positioned in an area that can be seen "comfortably" from the PIC seat. I read that to mean the front panel.

lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Here is where I mounted my ELT. I made a bracket to hold it on the top of the tube, butting it up against the front wing attatch bar. This is in a Firestar, and I was just out of room. I mounted the remote on the right side of the nose cone.

Larry C

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

I believe, but can't document any regs on this, that if the switch on the ELT is reachable in flight, then a remote is not required. The primary reason for the remote switch is to be able to control it from the pilot's seat and since the vast majority of Standard Category aircraft have the ELTs located as far aft as possible, per recommendations, then a remote switch is a requirement to make it controllable in flight.



Back when I was flying a Cherokee, and the original ELT (located near the tail) went belly up, we had to replace it plus add the remote switch to be legal. 



On our Allegro 2000, which is a factory built S-LSA, the ELT is located just behind the pilot/passenger seats and reachable in flight. It has no remote switch and was certificated that way.

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: ELT Installation

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		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com>

Hello

guys! Once again I come to draw upon your ultimate wisdom. I am getting

my Mkll ready for my E-LSA flightworthy inspection. I have ordered an

AmeriKing AK-450 ELT. Where is the best place to install it? Thanks in

advance....Mike 	
 

 Mike --

 

 In my MkIIIC, I put my AK-450 ELT behind the left seat, mounted on a tube.  The remote control was placed, of course, on the panel.  The hard parts were the ELT mount, which I had to fabricate, and then a place to put the antenna, which, again, I had to find a place for (I made an aluminum "box" that fits around my large capacitor) and fabricate a mount.

 

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Houston, TX area
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: ELT Installation

Looks good, Larry.



regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



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ropermike

Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 40
Location: West Texas, South Mississippi

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Thanks Larry and everyone else for the help and pictures. I talked to my DAR this morning and he said if the ELT can be turned on easily from the pilot seat, the remote was not mandentory. I will decide where to mount it when it comes in and go from there...thanks again, Mike



Soon to be "N177RM"

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

The Remote , isn't for your convenience.....It so you can



see the "Light" in case the unit was accidently turned on.....



it's supposed to be mounted where you would see it ....

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Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: ELT Installation

"ropermike" asked, << my Mkll ... I have ordered an AmeriKing AK-450

ELT. Where is the best place to install it? Thanks in advance....Mike >>



Hi, Mike -



Here's how I did it:  For installing a AK-450 in my Mark-III, I attached

it to the side of the six-inch tail boom tube, near the forwardmost end

where it attaches to cage structure.  I fabricated a pair of wooden

saddle blocks to interface between the 6" tube and the flat ELT base.

Two large hose clamps hold the setup securely against the boom tube.

Access to the ELT switch is easy, right behind the pilot's seat back.  



Dennis Kirby

Mark-III, 912ul

Cedar Crest, NM

ropermike

Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 40
Location: West Texas, South Mississippi

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Thanks Dennis......I got a nice surprise yesterday when my ELT arrived from aircraft spruce. The remote switch was included! I dont know why, but I was afraid it didnt come with the elt and I would need to make another order. Thanks again, Mike

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Hi Mike.  I am currently at where you where at a couple weeks ago.  I have an MKII also and I need to know where to mount the ELT.  I have the same ELT you do.  Did you get yours installed?  Do you have a picture of where you put it?



Also I'm wondering where you put your colored markings on your airspeed.  Do you have those V-numbers?



Cristal

ropermike

Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 40
Location: West Texas, South Mississippi

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Never exceed speed for Mk ll is 80 mph according to the old construction booklet I acquired with my plane....Stall speed is about 37 mph for my little fatty, 424lbs dry plus Fuel and Pilot. Stall with passenger aboard is 40 mph...I gave a 5 mph yellow warning before stall and before 80 mph. We have a sign shop that builds signs for us at my work. I measured my airspeed indicator with a caliper and had him cut me three circles, red, yellow and green. He makes signs with vinyl and sticky backing. I carefully cut and applied the partial circles to my indicator......ELT is mounted on a aluminum plate I riveted to the two tubing members just behind the pilots seat. I had to move and reglue the mobile antenna on top as I have a strobe box just beside the elt. Elt remote is installed on panel. (see pic). The antenna was the tough one. I finally mounted it on the top of my aluminum gap seal using a generous doubler.......N number is on the boom tube....My inspection is scheduled for Thursday, 9-27-07. Keep fingers crossed for me!.......Mike

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George Alexander

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 245
Location: SW Florida

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

 	  ropermike wrote: 	
		  <<<<SNIP>>>>

I measured my airspeed indicator with a caliper and had him cut me three circles, red, 

<<<<SNIP>>>>

My inspection is scheduled for Thursday, 9-27-07. Keep fingers crossed for me!.......Mike 	




Mike:



Didn't have a chance to check for a specific reference... and... your inspector may not care.... and if s/he does, it is an easy fix.



The Vne normally is indicated by a short line placed at the appropriate point on the ASI (your case 80 mph) and "perpendicular" to the point. It is not normally indicated by a red arc.



Some think that this may be picking the fly dung out of the pepper, but ..... 



Good luck on your airworthiness inspection!

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FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: ELT Installation

Mike, You didn't mention the DEA tag (they don't call it that, but it is in fact). It must be:

made of stainless steel (aluminum isn't considered fire proof).

It must contain the following information:

 Manufacturer

Model

Serial Number

The information must be EXACTLY as it's printed on your registration hard card. You do not have to use anyone's manufactured tag, you can make it yourself. I bought a set of 1/8th steel stamps from Harbor Freight so I could make them as needed and not have to go to an engraving shop. This has been covered in previous posts, and as was noted then, the information on the tag MUST be EXACTLY as it is on the hard card. You can guess why the blob is on the upper right corner of this one from my trike. 



Rick



On 9/25/07, ropermike <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com (ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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Never exceed speed for Mk ll is 80 mph according to the old construction booklet I acquired with my plane....Stall speed is about 37 mph for my little fatty, 424lbs dry plus Fuel and Pilot. Stall with passenger aboard is 40 mph...I gave a 5 mph yellow warning before stall and before 80 mph. We have a sign shop that builds signs for us at my work. I measured my airspeed indicator with a caliper and had him cut me three circles, red, yellow and green. He makes signs with vinyl and sticky backing. I carefully cut and applied the partial circles to my indicator......ELT is mounted on a aluminum plate I riveted to the two tubing members just behind the pilots seat. I had to move and reglue the mobile antenna on top as I have a strobe box just beside the elt. Elt remote is installed on panel. (see pic). The antenna was the tough one. I finally mounted it on the top of my aluminum gap seal using a generous doubler.......N number is on the boom tube....My inspection is scheduled for! 

  Thursday, 9-27-07. Keep fingers crossed for me!.......Mike



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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

Thanks for the information and pictures Mike.  I have a cloth gap seal...don't know where I could put my antenna.  My Mark II is fully enclosed but there is no divider between the seats and the gas tanks.  Someone suggested putting a brace around the very front of the boom tube and mounting the ELT there and perhaps putting the antenna behind that.

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: Re: ELT Installation

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