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kolbmark3

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Mt Clemens, MI

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: Taxiway landings

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		  "As far    as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO 	
 

 I seem to remember that Lakeland used the taxiway as the main landing strip  during SnF. Is my memory wrong?"

  

 You memory is good.  I remember being told by the control tower at one  airport to land my Cessna on the taxiway. I don't remember why  .

  

 Jim

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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: Taxiway landings

flykolb wrote:

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		       "As far as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO 

 

 I seem to remember that Lakeland used the taxiway as the main landing 

 strip during SnF. Is my memory wrong?"

  

 You memory is good.  I remember being told by the control tower at one 

 airport to land my *Cessna* on the taxiway. I don't remember why .

  

 Jim

 Kolb Mark 3

During SNF, the taxiway is designated as an official runway. IIRC, the 
	


main & taxiway 'runways' are actually marked with an L or R, as 

appropriate. As far as the FAA is concerned, during SNF (OSH does the 

same thing) the taxiway is no longer a taxiway; it's a runway. No one 

actually taxis on the 'narrow runway' during SNF.



I would think that the thing to remember is the 'why'. If the taxiway 

isn't designated as a landing zone, other pilots will not be expecting a 

plane to arrive on it from the sky & might taxi into your path.



I have a neighbor whose flown a SuperCub in some pretty windy 

conditions. He once had to depart a controlled field in wind so strong 

that he was literally taxi-ing in overlapping circles to get to the 

actual runway. He asked the tower for permission to depart from an 

intersecting taxiway instead of the runway. The tower's answer was that 

they couldn't authorize it, but he could exercise his authority as pilot 

in command to take whatever action was necessary for safe flight at that 

time. He departed using the taxiway. Note that there was no other 

traffic at the time. It's very unlikely that the tower would have given 

him that leeway if there had been heavy traffic around the field at that 

time.



Charlie

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: Taxiway landings

Exactly right. Years ago, Albany, GA had a closed runway 9-27 that was 

fairly grown up with grass, and had been closed for years. The Rockwell 

factory on the field made Thrush cropdusters, and the test pilots all had 

the callsign of "Toughbird,"  which was what Rockwell was using as a promo 

for their airplanes at that time. Well, Toughbird 6 was coming back from an 

evaluation of a new Thrush Commander, and the wind was something like 

270(at)35. The normal runways were 22 or 34, so either one would have been a 

huge crosswind component.  I gave him the wind, and he came right back with 

"Toughbird 6 requests to land on closed runway 27 as traffic permits, I 

realize you can't give me a landing clearance, I understand that landing 

will be at my own risk."



Obviously he had read the manual, FAA 7110.65, paragraph 3-3-2 which said -



If an aircraft requests to takeoff, land, or touch-and-go on a closed or 

unsafe runway, inform the pilot the runway is closed or unsafe, and



a. If the pilot persists in his/her request, quote him/her the appropriate 

parts of the NOTAM applying to the runway and inform him/her that a 

clearance cannot be issued.



b. Then, if the pilot insists and in your opinion the intended operation 

would not adversely affect other traffic, inform him/her that the operation 

will be at his/her own risk.



PHRASEOLOGY- RUNWAY (runway number) CLOSED/UNSAFE.



If appropriate, (quote NOTAM information),



UNABLE TO ISSUE DEPARTURE/LANDING/TOUCH- AND-GO CLEARANCE. 

DEPARTURE/LANDING/TOUCH-AND-GO WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK.



My reply? "Toughbird 6, no traffic, proceed as requested, contact ground 

121.7 after completing your landing roll."



And that's how it's done. Easy as pie.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)





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JetPilot

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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Taxiway landings

Special events are just that, special events.  Sometimes taxiways become runways, and sometimes runways become parking ramps for airplanes, so what ??  To think that this transfers to normal operations, and makes it " OK " to land on the taxiway once in a while is just insane.



Im sure it is very possible that some small uncontrolled airport somewhere may like, or be setup for the ultralights to land on the taxiway.  But again, for some ultralight guy to think that this makes it ok to go to other airports and land on taxiways is wrong.  Keep on landing on them taxiways, and let us know what happens when you get caught.



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Taxiway landings

Special events are just that, special events.  Sometimes taxiways become runways, and sometimes runways become parking ramps for airplanes, so what ??  To think that this transfers to normal operations, and makes it " OK " to land on the taxiway once in a while is just insane.



Im sure it is very possible that some small uncontrolled airport somewhere may like, or be setup for the ultralights to land on the taxiway.  But again, for some ultralight guy to think that this makes it ok to go to other airports and land on taxiways is wrong.  Keep on landing on them taxiways, and let us know what happens when you get caught.



Mike

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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Taxiway landings

In a message dated 9/9/2007 11:49:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:

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		  Special    events are just that, special events.  Sometimes taxiways become runways,    and sometimes runways become parking ramps for airplanes, so what    ?? 	


 

 Mike, I believe that was my point.

  

  

  

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Snoopy Baxley

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: Taxiway landings

The cropdusters aircraft at my  FAA airport have always used the taxi ways to land on .. One company always lands from the North taxiway and the other company's planes always lands from the South.... No control tower or radio ... Just good vision   )

  

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Taxiway landings

Dang it all, now I`m worried about taxiing on a  runway!!! Jim

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