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Daniel.Snow(at)wancdf.com
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 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: Almost An Emergency |
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I had my first real scare yesterday as I was preparing to enter the 45
for a landing at our untowered field. A loud, irregular banging noise
broke the squelch on my headset mic. A quick glance at the engine
monitor showed everything normal. I couldn't see anything inside or
outside that could be making the noise, so I announced a straight-in and
used the "E" word (I couldn't think of those other two alternative
words). Expecting a landing gear or wheelpant problem, I squeaked a
landing and rolled out long. The noise stopped sometime during the
approach, but that didn't stop the sweating.
Back at the hanger, I began a thorough examination of the 9A's exterior,
really expecting a problem under the cowl. As I was finishing looking
at skins, I noticed some marks on the left wing root and fuselage side.
I had recently cleaned and polished the plane, and knew that I couldn't
have scuffed my shoes against it that much. As I rubbed the scuff
marks, my hand accidentally contacted the rubber wing root seal. The
seal easily rolled away from the fuselage skin, revealing the origin of
the loud noise.
Lesson from this experience? Fly early in the morning so no one hears
you inappropriately use the "E" word.
Daniel Snow
RV-9A, 70 Hours Flying
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pilots2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: Almost An Emergency |
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Daniel,
As a 10,000 CFII, ground school instructor and retired Air Traffic Controller you used the E word in a very appropriate manner. By not using it and obtaining the priority it gives the situation could turn into something much much worse. Get the airplane on the ground and then sort it out. 99% percent of the time the E word only generates paperwork. What I mean by this (and this is what I teach in ground school) is that at towered airports where you have used the E word, and the tower gives you priority handling, they usually get whom ever is on duty from airport operations to get your name and nature of your emergency. This information goes into the tower and airport operations logs. If emergency vehicles were called out one of their members may want the same information for their log. It's just paperwork. If YOU screwed up and shorted yourself on fuel - your problem - not the airplanes, then there will be more than paperwork. The emergency information does not get passed to FSDO unless there has been an accident or a violation of FAR's. At non-towered airports where the airport operator monitors the frequency the above comments apply. Where the airport operator does not monitor the frequency it would be hoped that our fellow pilots are monitoring and get out of your way.
Good job on handling your airplane and don't hesitate to use the E word again if the situation warrants it.
Reuven Silberman
CFII
RV7A N7WT
"Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow(at)wancdf.com> wrote:[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "Snow, Daniel A."
I had my first real scare yesterday as I was preparing to enter the 45
for a landing at our untowered field. A loud, irregular banging noise
broke the squelch on my headset mic. A quick glance at the engine
monitor showed everything normal. I couldn't see anything inside or
outside that could be making the noise, so I announced a straight-in and
used the "E" word (I couldn't think of those other two alternative
words). Expecting a landing gear or wheelpant problem, I squeaked a
landing and rolled out long. The noise stopped sometime during the
approach, but that didn't stop the sweating.
Back at the hanger, I began a thorough examination of the 9A's exterior,
really expecting a problem under the cowl. As I was finishing looking
at skins, I noticed some marks on the left wing root and fuselage side.
I had recently cleaned and polished the plane, and knew that I couldn't
have scuffed my shoes against it that much. As I rubbed the scuff
marks, my hand accidentally contacted the rubber wing root seal. The
seal easily rolled away from the fuselage [quote][b]
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rv7(at)b4.ca
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: Almost An Emergency |
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On 7:37 2007-09-10 Reuven Silberman <pilots2(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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information does not get passed to FSDO unless there has been an
accident or a violation of FAR's. At non-towered airports where the
airport operator monitors the frequency the above comments apply.
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For what it's worth, up here in Canada *every* event, every Emergency, Pan,
Mayday, even a comment like "the engine sounds a little rough so i'm coming
back", all gets logged into a system called CADORS. That stands for Civil
Aviation Daily Occurrence Reporting System. The system is owned/maintained
by Transport Canada (Canada's FAA), and is drawn upon mostly for
statistical purposes. It's my understanding that every event is reviewed
by TC, but (similar to the US) only events where there was a safety concern
(or CAR violation) would be followed up on.
The system is public in that anyone can search it for events by a number of
fields. Aircraft registration isn't one of them, but the "notes" field is,
and frequently the controllers enter the registration there as part of
their narrative of events.
If anyone wants to look around:
<http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/SystemSafety/CADORS/menu.htm>
-Rob
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rtitsworth
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Almost An Emergency |
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I would't ever call loud banging an inappropriate use of the E word,
regardless of the root cause.
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pbesing(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Almost An Emergency |
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I had a similary experience that didn't make me use the E word, but nevertheless got me shaking. Was doing some flight testing in a 6A and was doing power on stalls. Was a little un coordinated at the top and it was windy, and she broke over to the left. Not a big deal, just a spin entry, but what happened at the same time is I heard a very loud "BANG" behind me. I thought I busted the tail or something. The carb starved, engine quit, loud bang, oh, and a tight spin on an RV.
The engine came right back after a few seconds, I exited the spin, and landed, with a little bit of shake in the knees.
The noise? It was the passenger seatbelt not secured all the way and hit the back baggage wall.
A chain of events can definately test anyones ability and your brain can go into protection mode, so I don't see it a problem you called emergency. Because you DIDN't know what the problem was, it could have been worse and justified the emergency.
Paul Besing
"Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow(at)wancdf.com> wrote:
[quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "Snow, Daniel A."
I had my first real scare yesterday as I was preparing to enter the 45
for a landing at our untowered field. A loud, irregular banging noise
broke the squelch on my headset mic. A quick glance at the engine
monitor showed everything normal. I couldn't see anything inside or
outside that could be making the noise, so I announced a straight-in and
used the "E" word (I couldn't think of those other two alternative
words). Expecting a landing gear or wheelpant problem, I squeaked a
landing and rolled out long. The noise stopped [quote][b]
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