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paul.mcallister



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
Hi all,

Today I landed my Europa and the port outrigger had not locked down. As the
airspeed decayed I guessed what had happened and tried to keep the wing off,
over corrected and ground looped it. Exit one prop. Fortunately it was a
windless day so I wasn't trying to fight too many other variables.

So... it looks like gear down and locked lights might be in order. I know
some people have fitted them in the past.

Paul

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
Paul
Sorry to hear about this incident. I will take your advice and install
microswitches on the outriggers. How does the airmaster governor handle
a prop strike? Does it have to be checked/serviced too?

--- Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net> wrote:

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<paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>

Hi all,

Today I landed my Europa and the port outrigger had not locked down.
As the
airspeed decayed I guessed what had happened and tried to keep the
wing off,
over corrected and ground looped it. Exit one prop. Fortunately it
was a
windless day so I wasn't trying to fight too many other variables.

So... it looks like gear down and locked lights might be in order. I
know
some people have fitted them in the past.

Paul









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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:18 pm    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
Sorry to hear of your mishap Paul...Ouch! If you can determine
probable cause it would be much appreciated,

Fred

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Hi all,

Today I landed my Europa and the port outrigger had not locked down.



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
Hi Paul,
I remember my 3th or 4th flight I have the same problem, the outrigger don't
deploy and secure his position. During landing there is no problem at the
end of the rolling the left wing have tendancy to down. I stop on the left
side os the runway, and descending of the aircraft , deploy and secure the
outrigger and restart. But no ground loop. After that I check and adjust the
outrigger mechanism. But after that incident, in flight I take the habitude,
after the gear down to rock the wings right to left and sometimes I heard
the outrigger lock by gravity. (Sorry for my poor English)

Michel AUVRAY

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<paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>

Hi all,

Today I landed my Europa and the port outrigger had not locked down. As the
airspeed decayed I guessed what had happened and tried to keep the wing off,
over corrected and ground looped it. Exit one prop. Fortunately it was a
windless day so I wasn't trying to fight too many other variables.

So... it looks like gear down and locked lights might be in order. I know
some people have fitted them in the past.

Paul

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
When I tested my outriggers locking, the the aircraft jacked up on the ground, they worked fine. But I think they only locked when I slowed below the gear retraction speed - I heard a distinct knock which I assume was the locking taking place when the aircraft slowed to near approach speed. I believe the drag at higher speed was keeping the outriggers held back and only when the speed reduced did gravity kick in and they locked.

So, I would recommend checking that they lock down on the ground with some back pressure on the outriggers - I attached a bungee to the outrigger wheel and pulled it back during the ground test. Sure enough, no locking until the back pressure was reduced. Once adjusted all working fine and no problems since.

Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK

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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>

Hi all,

Today I landed my Europa and the port outrigger had not locked down. As the
airspeed decayed I guessed what had happened and tried to keep the wing off,
over corrected and ground looped it. Exit one prop. Fortunately it was a
windless day so I wasn't trying to fight too many other variables.

So... it looks like gear down and locked lights might be in order. I know
some people have fitted them in the past.

Paul



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
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From: RoddyEuropa(at)aol.com
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To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Outriggers - Lockin
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:41:03 EDT
When I tested my outriggers locking, the the aircraft jacked up on the
ground, they worked fine. But I think they only locked when I slowed below
the
gear retraction speed - I heard a distinct knock which I assume was the
locking
taking place when the aircraft slowed to near approach speed. I believe
the
drag at higher speed was keeping the outriggers held back and only when
the
speed reduced did gravity kick in and they locked.

So, I would recommend checking that they lock down on the ground with some
back pressure on the outriggers - I attached a bungee to the outrigger
wheel
and pulled it back during the ground test. Sure enough, no locking until
the
back pressure was reduced. Once adjusted all working fine and no problems
since.

Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK

In a message dated 22/09/2007 20:16:20 GMT Standard Time,
paul.mcallister(at)qia.net writes:


<paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>

Hi all,

Today I landed my Europa and the port outrigger had not locked down. As
the
airspeed decayed I guessed what had happened and tried to keep the wing
off,
over corrected and ground looped it. Exit one prop. Fortunately it was
a
windless day so I wasn't trying to fight too many other variables.

So... it looks like gear down and locked lights might be in order. I know
some people have fitted them in the past.

Paul


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
I have microswitches on the outriggers to confirm gear position. It does
mean one extra connection when rigging the aircraft but it is very quick
and easy to do. I used two pairs of low voltage power plugs and sockets.
These stay in place but will pull out easily if the wing is removed
fully without remembering to disconnect. I also have a light for the
main gear which will only light when two microswitches confirm the gear
is down and locked. There is also a red for when the main gear is not
fully up or down. All this requires work but weighs next to nothing.

Nigel Charles

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
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I also have a light for the main gear which will only light when two
microswitches confirm the gear
is down and locked.

Hello Nigel,
Is the configuration of these two switches such that one is activated when
the gear lever is in the down gate and fully to the right and the other
activated by the latch when fully engaged?

If so, would you have any photos of how you achieved this please? I have
been trying to work this out myself but haven't come up with anything I'm
happy with yet.

Best regards
Kingsley

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Outriggers - Lockin Reply with quote
Quote:
Is the configuration of these two switches such that one is activated
when

the gear lever is in the down gate and fully to the right and the other
activated by the latch when fully engaged?<

Yes

Quote:
If so, would you have any photos of how you achieved this please? I
have

been trying to work this out myself but haven't come up with anything
I'm
happy with yet.<

I will try taking a photo when I next get to the aircraft. This email is
coming from Dallas so it will be a few days before I get a chance.

Regards

Nigel

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