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Thought you guys could appreciate this since many of you learned to fly in a taildragger. Enjoy!
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:09:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes:
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Good Evening JB,
That is a very fine rendition of tailwheel checkout problems. However, it does emphasize one of the problems that pilots are experiencing when transitioning from tri-gear to conventional gear aircraft.
All that the author discusses is the use of rudder to keep the airplane on the desired course.
There is not even one suggestion about the steering force that can be used via the advantageous use of adverse yaw generated by the old fashioned aileron which is used for roll control on most older flying machines.
In the thirties and early forties, that was well understood and thoroughly taught, but very few pilots other than some fortunate sea plane pilots and a few very fortunate glider pilots are ever taught how effective the adverse yaw can be in keeping the airplane on the straight and narrow.
On some aircraft, specifically the Twin Beech, the use of proper aileron is much more effective and of much greater importance than the use of rudder. Another one of those ancient truths that have been designed out of modern airplanes. Nothing wrong with what the designers have done, but when we fly that ancient equipment, it behooves us to know, understand, and use the ancient techniques!!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: Taildraggers |
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That’s great!
I have taken my “sleek and clean” quintacycle (5 legs) out and burned up 399,200 lbs. (59,582 gallons) of kerosene this week. And I have used “a little of rudder, not too much” and been successful. It’s time to go home before it’s “my own tail” going by.
bb
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:06 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Taildraggers
Thought you guys could appreciate this since many of you learned to fly in a taildragger. Enjoy!
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: Taildraggers |
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BB, is that one of those airplanes with a training wheel in the back? HeHeHe
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:08 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Taildraggers
That’s great!
I have taken my “sleek and clean” quintacycle (5 legs) out and burned up 399,200 lbs. (59,582 gallons) of kerosene this week. And I have used “a little of rudder, not too much” and been successful. It’s time to go home before it’s “my own tail” going by.
bb
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:06 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Taildraggers
Thought you guys could appreciate this since many of you learned to fly in a taildragger. Enjoy!
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Taildraggers |
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Old Bob-
I’ll drink to that!
Learning to fly the T-6 made me a better airline pilot… Also improved my landings….
Some of the old equipment might not be as “sexy” as all the new stuff(to the uninitiated) but it sure is more fun!
Robert Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:25 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Taildraggers
In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:09:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes:
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Good Evening JB,
That is a very fine rendition of tailwheel checkout problems. However, it does emphasize one of the problems that pilots are experiencing when transitioning from tri-gear to conventional gear aircraft.
All that the author discusses is the use of rudder to keep the airplane on the desired course.
There is not even one suggestion about the steering force that can be used via the advantageous use of adverse yaw generated by the old fashioned aileron which is used for roll control on most older flying machines.
In the thirties and early forties, that was well understood and thoroughly taught, but very few pilots other than some fortunate sea plane pilots and a few very fortunate glider pilots are ever taught how effective the adverse yaw can be in keeping the airplane on the straight and narrow.
On some aircraft, specifically the Twin Beech, the use of proper aileron is much more effective and of much greater importance than the use of rudder. Another one of those ancient truths that have been designed out of modern airplanes. Nothing wrong with what the designers have done, but when we fly that ancient equipment, it behooves us to know, understand, and use the ancient techniques!!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
See what'set="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage.
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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: Taildraggers |
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No they are in the middle.
bb
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:17 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Taildraggers
BB, is that one of those airplanes with a training wheel in the back? HeHeHe
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:08 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Taildraggers
That’s great!
I have taken my “sleek and clean” quintacycle (5 legs) out and burned up 399,200 lbs. (59,582 gallons) of kerosene this week. And I have used “a little of rudder, not too much” and been successful. It’s time to go home before it’s “my own tail” going by.
bb
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:06 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Taildraggers
Thought you guys could appreciate this since many of you learned to fly in a taildragger. Enjoy!
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: Taildraggers |
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Hey Bill,
Now what airline is it that saw fit to turn over their prized quinticycle to you?
Robert Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:08 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Taildraggers
That’s great!
I have taken my “sleek and clean” quintacycle (5 legs) out and burned up 399,200 lbs. (59,582 gallons) of kerosene this week. And I have used “a little of rudder, not too much” and been successful. It’s time to go home before it’s “my own tail” going by.
bb
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:06 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Taildraggers
Thought you guys could appreciate this since many of you learned to fly in a taildragger. Enjoy!
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: Taildraggers |
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Nobody ever taught me that one...... So after you've stuck yourself to the ground you're cross-controlling? I'm not sure I'm smart enough to do that. Some days it's all I can do to turn the controls the right direction.
I remember a lesson I had as a kid with Tom Murphy, one of the original Pepsi skywriters. He was a neat old guy. We lined up on an old drive in movie theatre screen, and did dutch rolls over and over with and without aileron. I still remember the nose of the ratty old Cub slewing from side to side.
Never thought about it on the ground.....
Steve
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: Taildraggers |
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Good Morning Once Again Steve,
I do not recommend doing it as a quick correction, but setting the controls in that manner as a conscious effort well in advance of the need.
Most pilots are taught to use aileron into the wind for crosswind takeoff and landings. It is generally taught that doing so will keep the wing down. No doubt that is one effect, but the much more important result is that the adverse yaw being generated by that action is a primary aid to directional control. Consequently, most pilots do exactly what I suggest in a strong crosswind. However, when the wind is on the nose, turning the wheel in the opposite direction to correct for a swerve is not a natural move.
It does need to be trained for and practiced to be effective.
Where the problem usually occurs in the Twin Beech is just at that time that the tail is being raised during the takeoff. The combination of engine/propellor torque and the gyroscopic precession of the propellors uses up all the right rudder that is available and the pilot may try to steer the airplane back to the right just like he/she would his/her car.
The control wheel is turned to the right.
That provokes the adverse yaw which turns the airplane to the left and the airplane runs off the left side of the runway.
The longer one flys without considering the effect of adverse yaw, the tougher it is to learn to use it properly.
Add in a bit of experience with an airplane that uses spoilers for roll control and things can really get dicey!
Modern airplanes don't have the problem, but for those of us who enjoy the older machines, it is a point that should at least be recognized. If nothing else, I tell folks to avoid any extra aileron input if they are not absolutely positive which way it should be turned!
The plus side is that even a modern airplane that uses aileron for roll control will benefit from the use of adverse yaw while on the ground. If you are flying one that uses spoiler for roll control, it is not only no good at all, it is detrimental!
So much for standardization!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 10/3/2007 6:05:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, steve2(at)sover.net writes:
| Quote: | Nobody ever taught me that one...... So after you've stuck yourself to the ground you're cross-controlling? I'm not sure I'm smart enough to do that. Some days it's all I can do to turn the controls the right direction.
I remember a lesson I had as a kid with Tom Murphy, one of the original Pepsi skywriters. He was a neat old guy. We lined up on an old drive in movie theatre screen, and did dutch rolls over and over with and without aileron. I still remember the nose of the ratty old Cub slewing from side to side.
Never thought about it on the ground.....
Steve
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: Taildraggers |
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I for got you are on a real airplane the B-747.
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:27 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Taildraggers
No they are in the middle.
bb
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James T. Addington
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:17 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Taildraggers
BB, is that one of those airplanes with a training wheel in the back? HeHeHe
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:08 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Taildraggers
That’s great!
I have taken my “sleek and clean” quintacycle (5 legs) out and burned up 399,200 lbs. (59,582 gallons) of kerosene this week. And I have used “a little of rudder, not too much” and been successful. It’s time to go home before it’s “my own tail” going by.
bb
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:06 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Taildraggers
Thought you guys could appreciate this since many of you learned to fly in a taildragger. Enjoy!
Taildragger Taildragger
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a trycycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserasble thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
or it heads towards Jone's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine
It's not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
That's my own tail that's going by.
You grounding looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Author Unknown
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I for got you are on a real airplane the B-747.
Jim
There is nothing else that quite compares with driving an eighteen wheeler!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
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