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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

I have removed the baggage area floors, rear seat pans, and started on the rear seat floors this evening. I drilled out the 16 or so pop rivets holding the F1016C (I think) floor. I am unable to budge the floor and cannot figure out what is holding it in position. Any insights will be much appreciated.

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

I remember them being really really tight.  I don't remember what tricks

to use to pull them out, but I do remember them taking some effort to

remove. I think they hung up on the sides.



Tim

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dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

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 I have removed the baggage area floors, rear seat pans, and started

 on the rear seat floors this evening. I drilled out the 16 or so pop

 rivets holding the F1016C (I think) floor. I am unable to budge the

 floor and cannot figure out what is holding it in position. Any

 insights will be much appreciated.

 

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dherring10

Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Posts: 11

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: QB fuselage floors

I also had a lot of trouble getting them out. What I remember is that if you get it wedged as you are coming out it is very easy to crimp the turned up edge. As a matter of fact I got mine out but when I was reinstalling them later I got the left one wedged and ended up tearing it up and had to order another one. The new one was just as tight but I just took my time and tried to keep it even on each side as I went back down and did not have anymore problems. So just don't get mad and to rough.

Sorry I don't have anymore advise.



Dwayne Herring



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coop85(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

Same issue with mine.  I used a dental type tool (pointy end with 90 degree

bend) to reach into some of the rivet holes and pull - really hard.



Marcus

40286 - in the paint shop, can't wait to see it



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drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

David:

I have the regular "slo build" kit  and put mine in last week.  Can you 

get any part of it to move?   Possibly then slip a cleco in the hole so 

you can get some more pull on the pan?  It is one of the few places 

where I think the match drilling process does more harm than good.  I 

made some loops of tie wire and slipped them in adjacent holes on each 

of the four corners so I could get them to move once they were in 

place.  I also had to use a thin paint scraper to get the edge to come 

over the doubler on the back wall. 

Also, I think the outside rivets were the most painful ones of the whole 

kit.  Serous consideration to pop rivets here.  I'd rather do the wing 

skins again.

Dr Fred

515 

Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I remember them being really really tight.  I don't remember what tricks

 to use to pull them out, but I do remember them taking some effort to

 remove. I think they hung up on the sides.

 Tim

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 dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

> 

>

> I have removed the baggage area floors, rear seat pans, and started

> on the rear seat floors this evening. I drilled out the 16 or so pop

> rivets holding the F1016C (I think) floor. I am unable to budge the

> floor and cannot figure out what is holding it in position. Any

> insights will be much appreciated.

>

> -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137736#137736

>

johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Re: QB fuselage floors

My Fuselage Kit shows up next week, so what's the reason you are pulling a floor that has already been riveted in? It sounds like it has to be done because so many have commented about it.

John

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poneill(at)irealms.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: QB fuselage floors

On mine, it was only temporarily/partially riveted with just a handful of

blind rivets per floor pan panel.  



The main reason to pull the floor panels as I understand it, is for

inspection.  So that you can verify that the QB assemblers did their job

correctly. 



The access is also needed for priming and sound insulation (if you are doing

either of those) and it also helps with the conduit runs (which you could

probably do without pulling the floor pans, but as long as you have them

off, it seems much easier.)  At least those are the reasons why I did it.



On my fuse and wings I found numerous little odd tasks buried in the plans

that were not done.  I don't trust any plan step I can't visually verify.



Best Regards,

Patrick #40715



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: QB fuselage floors

There are also quite a few people who have found hardware and tools

left under the floors and in hidden places.  I almost didn't need

to buy any more drill bits and clecos since they sent so many

from the Philippines with my fuse. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Patrick ONeill wrote:

[quote] 

 

 On mine, it was only temporarily/partially riveted with just a handful of

 blind rivets per floor pan panel.  

 

 The main reason to pull the floor panels as I understand it, is for

 inspection.  So that you can verify that the QB assemblers did their job

 correctly. 

 

 The access is also needed for priming and sound insulation (if you are doing

 either of those) and it also helps with the conduit runs (which you could

 probably do without pulling the floor pans, but as long as you have them

 off, it seems much easier.)  At least those are the reasons why I did it.

 

 On my fuse and wings I found numerous little odd tasks buried in the plans

 that were not done.  I don't trust any plan step I can't visually verify.

 

 Best Regards,

 Patrick #40715

 

 

 

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: QB fuselage floors

OK, now I understand. Would it also be handy for putting in Comm antennas underneath? Maybe a sonogram would do but I wouldn't want to know it's sex...

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John Ackerman

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

David:

Tough devil, ain't it? It's just a really tight fit.

It helped to slide thin pieces of card behind  the rear flange, and  

beside or over rivet heads, etc. that were tight spots.

By sheerest luck, I had saved an old Japanese saw blade - ~ 0.016"  

thick - and ground the teeth off. That worked even better.

Maybe steel shim stock would also work.

Clecoes make very helpful handles as noted by several folks on the list.

Persevere!

John Ackerman  40458 finish kit

On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:42 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I remember them being really really tight.  I don't remember what  

 tricks

 to use to pull them out, but I do remember them taking some effort to

 remove. I think they hung up on the sides.

 Tim

 do not archive

 dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

> 

> I have removed the baggage area floors, rear seat pans, and started

> on the rear seat floors this evening. I drilled out the 16 or so pop

> rivets holding the F1016C (I think) floor. I am unable to budge the

> floor and cannot figure out what is holding it in position. Any

> insights will be much appreciated.

> -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559

> Read this topic online here:

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137736#137736

VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

Also check the gear weldments as mine were misdrilled



Chris

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poneill(at)irealms.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: QB fuselage floors

After reading your site Tim, I was hoping to find a Sioux rivet gun or

perhaps a complete box set of reamers.



Unfortunately, the only thing they gave me in the secret compartments was a

few dead spiders and an unused 426-3 rivet.



I did notice a lot of scratches and dirty finger prints on the undersides of

the panels though.  I guess they let the new workers practice on those.



But at least they gave me a factory baseball cap with the fuse.



Best Regards,

Patrick



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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: QB fuselage floors

Thanks to all for the tips. I have been out of town and will now know how to approach this when I get home.

Once again, this list is priceless.

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: QB fuselage floors

Just to round out opinions and possibly to speak for a silent few, I am 

not pulling the floors on my #40605. 



dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

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 Thanks to all for the tips. I have been out of town and will now know how to approach this when I get home.

 Once again, this list is priceless.



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 David Maib

 RV-10 #40559





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