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scrimm

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 81
Location: Gilbert, SC SC99

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Gentlemen and  Ladies,

  

 And I will use the  gentlemen term loosely.

  

 I finalizing  the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers  and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in  my hangar.  Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it  would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the  forum.  

  

 My final goal is an  aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn  to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast.   Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these  aircraft.

  

 So with that  said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their  ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. 

  

 Thanks,

  

 Steve  Crimm

 Roswell,  GA

  

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Steve Crimm
N42AH

garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

  

 I've owned a Europa trigear for 7 years and also  have recently completed building an RV 7A.  Contact me off list and I think  I can help you alot.  garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com (garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com)

  

 Garry Stout

 Tampa, FL

  

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mhflyit(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

 

 You may also want to consider the 9A for the primary missions you've stated.

 

 Rgds

 

 Matt Hurley

 

   

 

   

 

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bill(at)repucci.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

  

 If you  are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A.  They make a great X-C  plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and cost more than  a 6 but typically less than a 7.

  

 As for  bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.  That's why there  are so many of the things flying.

  

 Bill

  

 

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ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

  

 There is an RV for you.  Just decide what you  want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the  above!  Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane  then let us bend your ear.  the ball is in your court; what do you  want/need to do?

  

 Ron Schreck

 RV-8, "Miss Izzy"

 Gold Hill Airpark, NC

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Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate.  You guys getting together?  

         

  

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Schreck

 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions  

  

     

Steve,  

    

   

    

There is an RV for you.  Just decide what you want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above!  Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear.  the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?  

    

   

    

Ron Schreck  

    

RV-8, "Miss Izzy"  

    

Gold Hill Airpark, NC  

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scrimm

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 81
Location: Gilbert, SC SC99

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Nothing like a good challenge...

  

 Wants and wishes

  

 1.  IFR capable for x-country

 2.  180 HP 

 3. Want to be able to burn car gas

 4. Want slider  with tip up option

 5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs  ( fat  asses...my wife just read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is  fat)

 6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of  baggage

 7.  Tri Gear

 8. No acrobatics

 9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters  in the Army)

 10.  Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would  be really nice)

 11.  $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants  what for 80K)

 12.  Elec Flaps and trim

 13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I  should have or look for to be a happy RV'er

 14. Constant speed prop

  

 Steve



   From:  owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron  Schreck

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08

To:  rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Lots of  Questions

 

 Steve,

  

 There is an RV for you.  Just decide what you  want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the  above!  Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane  then let us bend your ear.  the ball is in your court; what do you  want/need to do?

  

 Ron Schreck

 RV-8, "Miss Izzy"

 Gold Hill Airpark, NC

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Steve Crimm
N42AH

vitez(at)carolina.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

You can get one that meets pretty much all of the requirements mentioned below for that money.. some assembly required, though…  J  

   

   

   

   

       

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm

 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Lots of Questions  

  

  

   

Nothing like a good challenge...  

   

Wants and wishes  

   

1.  IFR capable for x-country  

2.  180 HP   

3. Want to be able to burn car gas  

4. Want slider with tip up option  

5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs  ( fat asses...my wife just read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)  

6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage  

7.  Tri Gear  

8. No acrobatics  

9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)  

10.  Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)  

11.  $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)  

12.  Elec Flaps and trim  

13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or look for to be a happy RV'er  

14. Constant speed prop  

   

Steve  [quote] [b]

ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Commander Tad,

  

 Can't make it myself.  I leave for Spokane  Saturday AM to go fetch a C-337. 

  

 Smokey

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ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

  

 Comments imbedded below.  I think it is great  that you are putting so much thought into it.  Just one caution: Don't  underbuild the airplane.  If you EVER think you MAY want to do formation or  aerobatics, DO NOT get a -9 and DO get a constant speed prop.

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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

 Need to make a comment about Ron's input  on the constant speed prop and baggage.  In my 6A the constant speed  prop. actually allows me to carry more baggage because without it the CG would  be out of range with 100lbs. in the baggage area.

  

 BTW my 6A matches your list except for IFR. And  here I agree with Ron's statement about 'if you ever thing you might' . Have  been frustrated more than once when long planned trips were cancelled when light  IFR would have made it possible.

 Dale Ensing

  

  Ron Schreck said:

 Constant speed prop

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		       ***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the      airplane and the first thing you should forget if you are approaching the      $80K ceiling.  A fixed pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any      strip with a full load.  It will climb a bit slower but cruise speed      will not suffer and you will save a few pounds that you can use for more      baggage.

      

	
	
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Dale Ensing
RV-6A
Aero Plantation
Weddington NC

ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: Lots of Questions

Dale, Steve,

  

 Good point, Dale.  Dan Checkoway has a great  data base

 http://www.rvproject.com/wab/

 If you click on the N-number of any airplane listed  it will take you to a page where you can enter weights for a custom loading  scenario.  Steve, this is a great place to start.  Very  informative.  Actually, Dan Checkoway's entire web site is one of the most  informative on the web.  If you end up building a RV-7 you should buy his  CD.

  

 Ron Schreck

  

 PS:  Steve, where do you live?  You  should find some RVers near you and sit and chat for awhile.

  

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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

  

 You have perfectly described my RV-9...all except  the cost.  Check out http://www.flightinnovations.com/considerations.html

  

 Bret Smith

RV-9A "Fuselage"

Blue Ridge,  GA

www.FlightInnovations.com

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Bret Smith
RV-9A (Emp)

scrimm

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 81
Location: Gilbert, SC SC99

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: Lots of Questions

I am located in Roswell, GA, just north of  Atlanta.

   From:  owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron  Schreck

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 06:56

To:  rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Lots of  Questions

 Dale, Steve,

 Good point, Dale.  Dan Checkoway has a great  data base

 http://www.rvproject.com/wab/

 If you click on the N-number of any airplane listed  it will take you to a page where you can enter weights for a custom loading  scenario.  Steve, this is a great place to start.  Very  informative.  Actually, Dan Checkoway's entire web site is one of the most  informative on the web.  If you end up building a RV-7 you should buy his  CD.

 Ron Schreck

 PS:  Steve, where do you live?  You  should find some RVers near you and sit and chat for awhile.

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Steve Crimm
N42AH

ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve,

  

 There are 25 RV owner withing 25 miles of  you.  Go here to find them:

  

 http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp

  

 Ron Schreck

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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve, I work in Sandy Springs as does Mike  Stewart.  Perhaps we can meet for lunch one day and visit.

  

 Bret Smith

RV-9A "Fuselage"

Blue Ridge,  GA

www.FlightInnovations.com

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Bret Smith
RV-9A (Emp)

Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Steve your options are limited to the 7A, it exceeds your needs in every category.  I would choose the CS hartzell prop for the lifting capability.  

Tad Sargent   

7A  

         

  

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm

 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions  

  

   

Nothing like a good challenge...  

   

Wants and wishes  

   

1.  IFR capable for x-country  

2.  180 HP   

3. Want to be able to burn car gas  

4. Want slider with tip up option  

5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs  ( fat asses...my wife just read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)  

6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage  

7.  Tri Gear  

8. No acrobatics  

9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)  

10.  Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)  

11.  $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)  

12.  Elec Flaps and trim  

13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or look for to be a happy RV'er  

14. Constant speed prop  

   

Steve  

       

  

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Schreck

 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions    

Steve,  

    

   

    

There is an RV for you.  Just decide what you want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above!  Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear.  the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?  

    

   

    

Ron Schreck  

    

RV-8, "Miss Izzy"  

    

Gold Hill Airpark, NC  

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bertrv6(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

On 10/5/07, Tad Sargent <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Steve your options are limited to the 7A, it exceeds your needs in every

 category.  I would choose the CS hartzell prop for the lifting capability.



 Tad Sargent



 7A



  Steve; My question is why did you sell the Europa, was it a four place or

a 2 place.   I do not know too much about it, but it seems to me is a
	


very stable

aircraft, is not fast as an RV./ but if it is a fourplace is a big difference..



   Rv's are fast. but not good in turbulence, that is because the short wings...

a longer wing like in the europa gives you smoother ride...

    Forget about  C/S propellers,, more things to go wrong, and more expense,

keep it simple..



     Well if you have any questions in particular, let me know.



I have an RV6A,  happy with it...

Bert



rv6a



do not archive



[quote] ________________________________

 From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On

 Behalf Of Steve Crimm

 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Lots of Questions



 Nothing like a good challenge...



 Wants and wishes



 1.  IFR capable for x-country



 2.  180 HP



 3. Want to be able to burn car gas



 4. Want slider with tip up option



 5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs  ( fat asses...my wife just read

 this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)



 6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage



 7.  Tri Gear



 8. No acrobatics



 9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)



 10.  Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)



 11.  $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)



 12.  Elec Flaps and trim



 13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or

 look for to be a happy RV'er



 14. Constant speed prop



 Steve

 ________________________________

 From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On

 Behalf Of Ron Schreck

 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Lots of Questions

 Steve,



 There is an RV for you.  Just decide what you want to do with it... cross

 country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above!  Seriously, do an honest

 evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear.  the

 ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?



 Ron Schreck

 RV-8, "Miss Izzy"

 Gold Hill Airpark, NC

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bill(at)repucci.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

"Rv's are fast. but not good in turbulence, that is because the short

wings... a longer wing like in the europa gives you smoother ride..."



What?  I thought the higher the wing loading the better ride in

turbulence and shorter wings usually mean higher wing loading.



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Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 475

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: Lots of Questions

Higher wing loading at the same air speeds generally means a less bumpy 

ride.  But, if you are flying the higher wing loaded aircraft much faster 

than one with lighter wing loading then the acceleration due to the bump can 

be the same or greater.



I find at slower airspeeds like in the pattern or on final my RV feels like 

its on a rail compared to what a hot thermal day would feel like in say a 

Cessna 150.  But, I have also found that encountering turbulence at high 

cruise airspeeds can quickly bounce my head off the canopy - just glad the 

thing is stressed for aerobatics {:>)



Ed

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

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