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 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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Hi Guys,
I have the Rotax 912 mounted on my Classic IV. I have the engine mount that enables the oil tank to be mounted behind the engine. It really needs to be mounted lower than the engine but there isn't room. I cannot get to the drain plug. I have been changing my oil by removing the tank lid and dumping and cleaning the tank. The engine runs great so I hope I have not damaged it. However, I just read a bunch of stuff that says if you break the seal on the tank you open the system. That means that you have to purge the engine which if you have read it is very complicated. How are you guys changing your oil? If you read the maintenance manual to a "T" and the ROAN information you must purge it. I was thinking about buying one of those quick release fittings for the bottom of the tank but I can't get to it either. This is the last thing I have to do on my yearly condition inspection. Somebody help !!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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Jeff.
No matter how you change the oil in the tank, you will break the suction and will need to purge properly.
I change the oil and then hook up a compressor to the tank vent at 10 lbs and pull the pressure ball and spring, let it flow until it is clear replace the ball and spring. This is especially helpful if you are using an oil cooler. Even more helpful if you are using an oil cooler and leaded fuel.
John Oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:17 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Change problem
Hi Guys,
I have the Rotax 912 mounted on my Classic IV. I have the engine mount that enables the oil tank to be mounted behind the engine. It really needs to be mounted lower than the engine but there isn't room. I cannot get to the drain plug. I have been changing my oil by removing the tank lid and dumping and cleaning the tank. The engine runs great so I hope I have not damaged it. However, I just read a bunch of stuff that says if you break the seal on the tank you open the system. That means that you have to purge the engine which if you have read it is very complicated. How are you guys changing your oil? If you read the maintenance manual to a "T" and the ROAN information you must purge it. I was thinking about buying one of those quick release fittings for the bottom of the tank but I can't get to it either. This is the last thing I have to do on my yearly condition inspection. Somebody help !!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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Question?? why do you have to purge the system after you change the oil from the oil tank? when you remove the oil tank cap there is no pressure till re put the cap back on! am I missing something.
Ray
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oil Change problem
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:56:31 -0600
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Jeff.
No matter how you change the oil in the tank, you will break the suction and will need to purge properly.
I change the oil and then hook up a compressor to the tank vent at 10 lbs and pull the pressure ball and spring, let it flow until it is clear replace the ball and spring. This is especially helpful if you are using an oil cooler. Even more helpful if you are using an oil cooler and leaded fuel.
John Oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:17 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Change problem
Hi Guys,
I have the Rotax 912 mounted on my Classic IV. I have the engine mount that enables the oil tank to be mounted behind the engine. It really needs to be mounted lower than the engine but there isn't room. I cannot get to the drain plug. I have been changing my oil by removing the tank lid and dumping and cleaning the tank. The engine runs great so I hope I have not damaged it. However, I just read a bunch of stuff that says if you break the seal on the tank you open the system. That means that you have to purge the engine which if you have read it is very complicated. How are you guys changing your oil? If you read the maintenance manual to a "T" and the ROAN information you must purge it. I was thinking about buying one of those quick release fittings for the bottom of the tank but I can't get to it either. This is the last thing I have to do on my yearly condition inspection. Somebody help !!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Columbus, Ohio
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kitfoxpilot(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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I don't think there is a problem, I have the 912uls and I change my oil the same way. I turn the prop by hand to get all the oil to the tank, then take the oil cap off then the tank cover! no purge required! now if you remove the lines to your oil cooler then you will have to purge!
Ray
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Change problem
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:17:27 -0400
Hi Guys,
I have the Rotax 912 mounted on my Classic IV. I have the engine mount that enables the oil tank to be mounted behind the engine. It really needs to be mounted lower than the engine but there isn't room. I cannot get to the drain plug. I have been changing my oil by removing the tank lid and dumping and cleaning the tank. The engine runs great so I hope I have not damaged it. However, I just read a bunch of stuff that says if you break the seal on the tank you open the system. That means that you have to purge the engine which if you have read it is very complicated. How are you guys changing your oil? If you read the maintenance manual to a "T" and the ROAN information you must purge it. I was thinking about buying one of those quick release fittings for the bottom of the tank but I can't get to it either. This is the last thing I have to do on my yearly condition inspection. Somebody help !!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Columbus, Ohio
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john(at)leptron.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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Ray,
Its not removing the cap but unporting the suction line. When you drain the oil it also drains part of the suction line. I never noticed a problem when I was doing ti the old way, but, with the note’s out on this, decided to pay attention to them.
John oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:06 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Change problem
Question?? why do you have to purge the system after you change the oil from the oil tank? when you remove the oil tank cap there is no pressure till re put the cap back on! am I missing something.
Ray
From: john(at)leptron.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Change problem
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:56:31 -0600
Jeff.
No matter how you change the oil in the tank, you will break the suction and will need to purge properly.
I change the oil and then hook up a compressor to the tank vent at 10 lbs and pull the pressure ball and spring, let it flow until it is clear replace the ball and spring. This is especially helpful if you are using an oil cooler. Even more helpful if you are using an oil cooler and leaded fuel.
John Oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:17 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Change problem
Hi Guys,
I have the Rotax 912 mounted on my Classic IV. I have the engine mount that enables the oil tank to be mounted behind the engine. It really needs to be mounted lower than the engine but there isn't room. I cannot get to the drain plug. I have been changing my oil by removing the tank lid and dumping and cleaning the tank. The engine runs great so I hope I have not damaged it. However, I just read a bunch of stuff that says if you break the seal on the tank you open the system. That means that you have to purge the engine which if you have read it is very complicated. How are you guys changing your oil? If you read the maintenance manual to a "T" and the ROAN information you must purge it. I was thinking about buying one of those quick release fittings for the bottom of the tank but I can't get to it either. This is the last thing I have to do on my yearly condition inspection. Somebody help !!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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Ah, I see the way you are doing it, I don't remove the oil lines, just remove the tank top and use a syphon tube to remove all the oil. Once I do that, I remove the screen and wipe out the inside of the oil tank! then re-install, add my oil and back in business. This has been the only way I ever did this oil change. Hope I have not screwed anything up.
Ray
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oil Change problem
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:29:24 -0600
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Ray,
Its not removing the cap but unporting the suction line. When you drain the oil it also drains part of the suction line. I never noticed a problem when I was doing ti the old way, but, with the note’s out on this, decided to pay attention to them.
John oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:06 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Change problem
Question?? why do you have to purge the system after you change the oil from the oil tank? when you remove the oil tank cap there is no pressure till re put the cap back on! am I missing something.
Ray
From: john(at)leptron.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Change problem
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:56:31 -0600
Jeff.
No matter how you change the oil in the tank, you will break the suction and will need to purge properly.
I change the oil and then hook up a compressor to the tank vent at 10 lbs and pull the pressure ball and spring, let it flow until it is clear replace the ball and spring. This is especially helpful if you are using an oil cooler. Even more helpful if you are using an oil cooler and leaded fuel.
John Oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:17 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Change problem
Hi Guys,
I have the Rotax 912 mounted on my Classic IV. I have the engine mount that enables the oil tank to be mounted behind the engine. It really needs to be mounted lower than the engine but there isn't room. I cannot get to the drain plug. I have been changing my oil by removing the tank lid and dumping and cleaning the tank. The engine runs great so I hope I have not damaged it. However, I just read a bunch of stuff that says if you break the seal on the tank you open the system. That means that you have to purge the engine which if you have read it is very complicated. How are you guys changing your oil? If you read the maintenance manual to a "T" and the ROAN information you must purge it. I was thinking about buying one of those quick release fittings for the bottom of the tank but I can't get to it either. This is the last thing I have to do on my yearly condition inspection. Somebody help !!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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Ray,
There are three times you purge and number 3 says when you left the cap. I read it in a ROAN presentation and SI-018. I agree with you though. Jeff
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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John,
The ROAN bulletin mentioned blowing air and said it could severely damage the engine. I don't know what to think. I know purging by the book stinks! Jeff
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: Oil Change problem |
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No, it makes perfect sense. Thanks.
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