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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I've just uploaded the latest copy of the 'Connection's

data CD. Version 11.1 zip file may be accessed at:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/CD/AEC_11p1.zip



This is about a 400M file. It can take awhile on even

some "high speed" systems.

        Bob . . .



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luckymacy

Joined: 04 Oct 2007
Posts: 11

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time was?

  

 I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower.  I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.  Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two.  An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.

  

 Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.  So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.

  

 Looking forward to do some number comparisons.

  

 thx,

 luck

  

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poneill(at)irealms.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn’t watch the time precisely.)  Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers.  I would imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob’s announcement and the site had significant traffic to accommodate.  The lengthy download was likely not due to your Internet connection but the server’s.  

   

And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this information available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of information on any subject matter.  It is truly great!  

   

Best Regards,  

Patrick Oneill  

         

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky

 Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com; aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

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Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time was?  

    

   

    

I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower.  I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.  Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two.  An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.  

    

   

    

Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.  So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.  

    

   

    

Looking forward to do some number comparisons.  

    

   

    

thx,  

    

luck  

    

   

  

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walter.fellows(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I am getting about 8kb/sec on the fastest residential line available in Seattle through the phone company on a direct line to the modem (no wireless). I usually get 130-200 kb/sec from a free site for approximately 15 mb files. 



On 10/14/07, lucky <luckymacy(at)comcast.net (luckymacy(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote]  Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time was?

  

 I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower.  I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.  Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between  8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two.  An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.

  

 Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.  So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.

   

 Looking forward to do some number comparisons.

  

 thx,

 luck

  

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matronics(at)rtist.nl
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I'm seeing 9.4KB/s in Europe. Still 10+ hours  to go according to Internet Explorer. My first attempt aborted after 130MB. This  type of file is the perfect candidate for P2P sharing, maybe a thought for the  next release?

  

 Rob

  

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vaughnray(at)bvunet.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I tried the download after reading your email and  was getting a 9 to 10 KB/sec download speed. I am assuming that there are  a  lot of Bob's followers that are downloading now and slow speeds usually  are the result of a very heavily used website, so I will wait until the stampede  is over and try again next week. I also have Optinet with a usual download speed  of 4+ MB/sec.

  

 Vaughn 

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mprather(at)spro.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

Right..  The download speed will only be as fast a the slowest piece of

equipment in the line..



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		    The lengthy download was likely

 not

 due to your Internet connection but the server's.



 And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this information

 available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of

 information

 on any subject matter.  It is truly great!




	


Hear hear!!

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 Best Regards,



 Patrick Oneill




	


Regards.



Matt-



do not archive

rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

My download started out this morning around 9:00 EDT at about 17KB/sec.

 Now, at 12:00 noon it is down to 9.3 KB/sec. at 90MB of  402MB.

 My software is now projecting another  9+ hours at the present rate.

 Initially the projection 3 hours ago was for a total of 7 hours.

 It sounds like server load and/or internet traffic load.

 

 Richard Dudley

 

 

 Rob Turk wrote:

 [quote]            I'm seeing 9.4KB/s in Europe. Still 10+ hours to go according to Internet Explorer. My first attempt aborted after 130MB. This type of file is the perfect candidate for P2P sharing, maybe a thought for the next release?

    

   Rob

    

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     From:     lucky (luckymacy(at)comcast.net)     

     To:     aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com) ; aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)     

     Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:50 PM

     Subject: Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

     

     

     Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time was?

      

     I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower.  I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.  Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two.  An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.

      

     Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.  So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.

      

     Looking forward to do some number comparisons.

      

     thx,

     luck

      

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lists(at)stevet.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine download speeds, and your individual connection to the Internet is only one factor.  Server capability is one major factor as is the pipe that it must pass through to wherever the stream is going.  And, yes, the pipe does slow down significantly throughout the day.  One person already mentioned that the server must deal with many requests right after an announcement comes out.  Waiting for a while should improve things.  But the server is probably the limiting factor. Best Regards,



Steve 

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On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:50 AM, lucky wrote:

[quote] Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time was?

  

 I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower.  I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.  Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two.  An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.

  

 Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.  So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.

  

 Looking forward to do some number comparisons.

  

 thx,

 luck

  

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

Doesn’t anyone have some spare space with a T1 connection that they can upload a copy of the zip on and share the mirror site link with us?  

     

Bruce  

www.Glasair.org  

  

   

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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

At 09:40 AM 10/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine download 

speeds, and your individual connection to the Internet is only one 

factor.  Server capability is one major factor as is the pipe that it must 

pass through to wherever the stream is going.  And, yes, the pipe does 

slow down significantly throughout the day.  One person already mentioned 

that the server must deal with many requests right after an announcement 

comes out.  Waiting for a while should improve things.  But the server is 

probably the limiting factor.


	


   I think this is the case. When testing my Cox service with

   NetMagic's speed test utility, typical numbers are 4-6 mbps

   download and 581 kbps upload. Keep in mind that these are

   BITS per second that reflect the system's data rate. File

   sizes are in BYTES . . . 8-bits per byte. Roughly speaking,

   a system that downloads at 1 mbps will take 7-10 seconds

   to download a million byte string depending on formats,

   compression, error checking, etc.



   All other things being equal, I should be able to bring

   the 400MB file down in something like 10 minutes or so.

   I think I recall having that kind of access some time

   ago . . . but I don't recall now if my site was running

   off Matronics or the server I owned out in SF. It took

   me right at two hours to upload the file to the server

   last night. I would have expected a download to be

   about 6x faster or 20 minutes. I just did a trial

   access of the CD and my browser reported a 6+ hour

   task.



   I'm thinking about splitting the CD up into individual

   sections. A great deal of the material does not change

   from revision to revision . . . the published works

   for example. I'll put some thought into a re-organization

   of the information offered such that it's still accessible

   but subject to less repetitive downloading effort.



   Bob . . .

matronics(at)rtist.nl
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

It must be the upload server. I now have as low as  7.4 KB/s, 44% done. Meanwhile I ran another download which got me 1.2  MegaByte/s. That's about as fast as I ever get. My ADSL2 line has a theoretical  maximum of 20 Mbit/s but I'm happy with the 12-13 Mbit/s I get.

  

 Time for Bob to seed a download farm  

  

 Rob

  

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

Bruce Gray wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Doesn’t anyone have some spare space with a T1 connection that they can

 upload a copy of the zip on and share the mirror site link with us?


	


	Yes, as soon as I can get the file downloaded...



-Dj



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Dj Merrill

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118

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airplane."  --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005

khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

On 14 Oct 2007, at 15:07, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:



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 <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>



 At 09:40 AM 10/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:



> Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine  

> download speeds, and your individual connection to the Internet is  

> only one factor.  Server capability is one major factor as is the  

> pipe that it must pass through to wherever the stream is going.   

> And, yes, the pipe does slow down significantly throughout the  

> day.  One person already mentioned that the server must deal with  

> many requests right after an announcement comes out.  Waiting for  

> a while should improve things.  But the server is probably the  

> limiting factor.



   I'm thinking about splitting the CD up into individual

   sections. A great deal of the material does not change

   from revision to revision . . . the published works

   for example. I'll put some thought into a re-organization

   of the information offered such that it's still accessible

   but subject to less repetitive downloading effort.


	


Another good option would be BitTorrent, or another peer to peer  

service.  With BitTorrent, computers that have downloaded all, or  

part of the file, are used as upload servers.  The available  

bandwidth goes up very quickly once the file has spread to several  

computers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent



--

Kevin Horton

Ottawa, Canada

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

At 03:25 PM 10/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:



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Bruce Gray wrote:

 > Doesn't anyone have some spare space with a T1 connection that they can

 > upload a copy of the zip on and share the mirror site link with us?



         Yes, as soon as I can get the file downloaded...


	




   -Dj



   I can mail you the CD if you wish.



   Bob . . .

luckymacy

Joined: 04 Oct 2007
Posts: 11

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

After 9 hours, my transfer rate has fallen to 7.76KB/Sec and it says I still have 4hr 42mins left  

  

 [quote]-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) 

 Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time was?

  

 I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower.  I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.  Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two.  An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.

  

 Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.  So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.

  

 Looking forward to do some number comparisons.

  

 thx,

 luck

  

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brinker(at)suddenlinkmail
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in  arkansas and am downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow  hopefully it will be finished when I get up in the morning.

  

 randy

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brinker(at)suddenlinkmail
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

LOL I just did a bandwidth speed test and am showing, 1 megabits per 

second,Communications 1 megabits per second,

Storage 124.5 kilobytes per second

1MB file download 8.2 seconds but am still showing only about 5kb per sec 

downloading this with 22 hours more to go.



Randy





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walter.fellows(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I have been downloading since about 7am this morning pacific time, I am at 83% and running about 5-6kb/sec. Bob, you should be proud the demand is so great it is brought your server down to this rate. Thanks again.



 On 10/14/07, Randy <brinker(at)suddenlinkmail.com (brinker(at)suddenlinkmail.com)> wrote:[quote]        I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in  arkansas and am downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow  hopefully it will be finished when I get up in the morning.

  

 randy

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poneill(at)irealms.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded

I went  ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still trying to get  it:

  

 http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip

  

 I'll  leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or anyone  objects. 

  

 On a  quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins.  I'm not sure how many people it can  accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.

  

 Best  Regards,

 Patrick Oneill

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