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Bob Dresden

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 11
Location: Oak Creek, Colorado

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Kolb Folks,  My name is Bob Dresden , and I've lurked for years.  Short story.  Sometime in the mid 80's I pinned a picture of a Firestar to my bulletin board.  I always said...Someday I'll have one.  Life happens, it ain't been easy.  Found this forum in the early days, been here since, but Someday.  Met a few folks at MV as I passed through, Loved those airplanes...Someday.  Well,  it's Someday!  I believe I've talked Lucien into selling his, and it's a nice machine  (I Think).  I'm a VN Vet, living off the gov, and I never thought this could happen.  I feel like a kid at Christmas, watching it Snow like mad and thinking of the adventures ahead of me.  I tell ya, God loves me,  ( and you too).  Now, the rest of the story.  I have to tote this craft from Santa Fe, NM to Steamboat Springs, Co.  Right up the backbone of America.  High passes, wicked winds, roads ???  I plan to pull the wings and carry them on a pickup rack, stacked together, padded and shrink wrapped.  Comments?  I don't want to haul a lite wt. billboard down the road.  What I need to know is the total chord w/ailerons so as to modify the rack accordingly.  I believe it's a 98 model Firestar II. I've already ordered a Chile Vest.   



Bdres,   in stormy Colo



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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Bob Welcome to the Kolb Owners and Lurkers site  You sure picked a great plane, there well built as you probably know already  and I am sure you will have many enjoyable years  with it 

  Blue skys to yea 

  

 and I will get a wing cord measurment for you as soon as I can if someone else doesnt  get to the airport before I do and as great as the people here are Im sure someone else will be quicker  than I 

  

 Ellery in Maine, Firestar Gone (   Building MK3Xtra  )

  

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: Re: Lurker on the loose

Hi Bob,

           The cord lenght is a Combination between the wing and the ailerons  ( 61" ).... I don't think "that" is the number your looking for...



  Your looking for the  dimensions  of the wing & Aileron....



 My Wings are in the Garage....If you need the measurements...



I'll get them...



                     Gotta Fly...

                                     Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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       I'm Back with the dimensions..... ( attachment )

This should cover Everything that you need....( and more )



My wing and ailerons are "stock"........( except bracing )

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Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Mike that is what he needs because he wants to haul them on top of one another on his truck rack and I dont think he would want to fold the ailerons under and stack em 

  

  Ellery 

  

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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Bob DAs you know by now, the Kolbers are a great bunch; VERY helpful and friendly. Welcome aboard, and good luck with your XC transporting. You can write a story for Kitplanes or some other magazine & make a few bucks. Take lots of pictures!

Russ Kinne

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On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Robert Dresden wrote:

[quote]Kolb Folks,  My name is Bob Dresden , and I've lurked for years.  Short story.  Sometime in the mid 80's I pinned a picture of a Firestar to my bulletin board.  I always said...Someday I'll have one.  Life happens, it ain't been easy.  Found this forum in the early days, been here since, but Someday.  Met a few folks at MV as I passed through, Loved those airplanes...Someday.  Well,  it's Someday!  I believe I've talked Lucien into selling his, and it's a nice machine  (I Think).  I'm a VN Vet, living off the gov, and I never thought this could happen.  I feel like a kid at Christmas, watching it Snow like mad and thinking of the adventures ahead of me.  I tell ya, God loves me,  ( and you too).  Now, the rest of the story.  I have to tote this craft from Santa Fe, NM to Steamboat Springs, Co.  Right up the backbone of America.  High passes, wicked winds, roads ???  I plan to pull the wings and carry them on a pickup rack, stacked together, padded and shrink wrapped.  Comments?  I don't want to haul a lite wt. billboard down the road.  What I need to know is the total chord w/ailerons so as to modify the rack accordingly.  I believe it's a 98 model Firestar II. I've already ordered a Chile Vest.  



Bdres,   in stormy Colo



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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

What I need to know is the total chord w/ailerons so as to

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 the rack accordingly.


	




I believe the http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/ Site says that it is 64

inches, however mine measures 66 inches.   Good luck.

Larry C

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Bob Dresden

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 11
Location: Oak Creek, Colorado

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Kolbers,  Many thanks to the replies on wing size.  The info is just what I need.  I'm still debating whether to pull the wings, it's set up to go down the road backwards.  My concern is crosswinds and truck turbulence at 100+mph going down the road.   All mountainous 2 lane w/limited shoulders.  Skinny suckers.  Now I'm curious as to how well they follow.  Is there experience on the list with carting an open trailer in the wind?  Appreciate all comments.  And, by the way, this list is GREAT!  Just reading about my favorite airplane has gotten me through some rough times.  I always knew I'd have one someday.  Never let go of your dream! 



Bob Dresden



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On 10/20/07, Robert Dresden <bdres(at)zirkel.us (bdres(at)zirkel.us)> wrote:[quote] Kolb Folks,  My name is Bob Dresden , and I've lurked for years. 

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gaman(at)att.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Don't know if this will help you but here goes.have it shrink wrapped at a marina where they do pontoon boats.Saw it done on a n-3 pup that came from Mass. to Fla. on a open flat trailer,and it was clean and dry as well.



Robert Dresden <bdres(at)zirkel.us> wrote:[quote] Kolbers,  Many thanks to the replies on wing size.  The info is just what I need.  I'm still debating whether to pull the wings, it's set up to go down the road backwards.  My concern is crosswinds and truck turbulence at 100+mph going down the road.   All mountainous 2 lane w/limited shoulders.  Skinny suckers.  Now I'm curious as to how well they follow.  Is there experience on the list with carting an open trailer in the wind?  Appreciate all comments.  And, by the way, this list is GREAT!  Just reading about my [quote][b]

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Bob, In the last two years I have hauled five aircraft cross county. None of the trips, with the exception of the last were less than a thousand miles.

The Kolb Mk III came home in a closed truck with wings attached. This was by far the most successful of the trips. I had the main gear contained so the aircraft would not move and the boom resting on a support so that the tail wheel was off the tuck bed. I realize that this is probably beyond what you want to spend for transport, but it is BY FAR the safest. When we unloaded and set it up, there was not a scratch on it. 

The Firestar came home on an open trailer. It was nerve wracking and I nearly lost it twice when tie downs failed. No fun. The wings were attached and the tail wheel was padded. There was damage to the aileron and elevator caused when pads were blown out. Not bad, but the aircraft was not flyable when I unloaded it. 

The Minimax came home on an open trailer with the wings loaded flat, there was minor damage to the paint and the corner of one wing tip was worn a bit. Otherwise no damage, but once again it was a nerve wracking trip. 

The Trike cam home on an open trailer, but the wing was in a piece of 15" irrigation pipe and the carriage was padded with 1" foam pads and wrapped with tarps. This trip was almost 2,000 miles, and except for the trip across the continental divide on I-80 with its washboard concrete and high winds relatively uneventful. 

The last was a Challenger II with the wings detached in carpet strip slings. Less than 20 miles before an 18 wheeler passed upwind and the turbulence ripped apart one wing stand and sent a wing flying. Talk about your Oh, **** (fill in your favorite four letter word here) experience. Fortunately CII wings are very light and the damage was relatively minor. Even so it was an all afternoon effort to get the airplane back home and no fun at all. 

So, my recommendation is get a closed trailer. Fold the wings in as the Kolb was designed. Suspend the boom in a very well padded cradle to take the load off the tail wheel. Remove the prop. Deflate the main gear tires to about 5 or 6 PSI and contain them fore and aft. Pad anything that touches anything else. 

From another llife when I was the youngest engineer with the least attachment and got sent to the Yellow Freight packaging lab in KC to film how the company product would fare in shipping, A tar strip is a 6G shock load on a conventionally suspended truck trailer. Do that enough and something is going to give, don't let it be your aircraft. 



Rick

On 10/22/07, Robert Dresden <bdres(at)zirkel.us (bdres(at)zirkel.us)> wrote:[quote] Kolbers,  Many thanks to the replies on wing size.  The info is just what I need.  I'm still debating whether to pull the wings, it's set up to go down the road backwards.  My concern is crosswinds and truck turbulence at 100+mph going down the road.   All mountainous 2 lane w/limited shoulders.  Skinny suckers.  Now I'm curious as to how well they follow.  Is there experience on the list with carting an open trailer in the wind?  Appreciate all comments.  And, by the way, this list is GREAT!  Just reading about my favorite airplane has gotten me through some rough times.  I always knew I'd have one someday.  Never let go of your dream! 



Bob Dresden



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On 10/20/07, Robert Dresden < bdres(at)zirkel.us (bdres(at)zirkel.us)> wrote:[quote] Kolb Folks,  My name is Bob Dresden , and I've lurked for years. 

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cstonex(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Robert, when I was talking to him about this Kolb, he told me he had a transport trailer for it and that it pulled fine from El Paso. I would use the trailer and not worry about it. It should be fine. I was going to us it to bring it to Iowa after flying around Las Cruses for a while.

 Good luck. I'm still trying to get my first one too. 



LEBTF

Chuck



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Kolbers,  Many thanks to the replies on wing size.  The info is just what I need.  I'm still debating whether to pull the wings, it's set up to go down the road backwards.  My concern is crosswinds and truck turbulence at 100+mph going down the road.   All mountainous 2 lane w/limited shoulders.  Skinny suckers.  Now I'm curious as to how well they follow.  Is there experience on the list with carting an open trailer in the wind?  Appreciate all comments.  And, by the way, this list is GREAT!  Just reading about my favorite airplane has gotten me through some rough times.  I always knew I'd have one someday.  Never let go of your dream! 



Bob Dresden



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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Lurker on the loose

Carefull with shrink wrap....if things shrink too much things will break.



I had a collapsed rib just from the Poly-Fiber shrinking to much.



Also here is another important note!



Trailers flex over their length so be careful not to secure the thing down so rigidly that is does not allow for trailer flexing.



I have heard of people having problems when the flexing of the trailer bent parts of the plane that were so secured over their length that the airframe HAD to bend with the trailer as well.



Also, when towing, be careful not to exceed the red-line of the aircraft if on an open trailer.....you could get flutter and things flap them self to pieces real fast! 



My 1800 mile trip had me driving under 70mph in Montana due to a 30mph headwind with gusts to 40. 



Ray

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Lurker on the loose

Pictures...



 I can Haul Azz with the plane on the trailer this way.....



Like a fish headed up stream.



and the way the trailer and "arm" are set up....it's a gentle ride 

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gaman(at)att.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: Lurker on the loose

I anchor my Firestar in three places.Straps over the tires and a strap over the boom tube at the support.Long trips I nail two short 2x4 next to the tires so they cant slide side to side.1100 miles to Fla and back for 4 years.No damage ever.



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Carefull with shrink wrap....if things shrink too much things will break.



I had a collapsed rib just from the Poly-Fiber shrinking to much.



Also here is another important note!



Trailers flex over their length so be careful not to secure the thing down so rigidly that is does not allow for trailer flexing.



I have heard of people having problems when the flexing of the trailer bent parts of the plane that were so secured over their length that the airframe HAD to bend [quote][b]

jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
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Location: Southern California

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Lurker on the loose

Mike,



Thats a great setup you have made for hauling your Kolb.



I'll be making something similar out of my spare single Seadoo trailer.



Secured at the tires and supported  along the boom with a bracket and straps is ideal.....Headfirst of course!



Nice!

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Tom O'Hara

Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 34

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Lurker on the loose

Bob-- Two years ago I bought a Kolb MKIII and hauled it xc from Northern Wisconsin to Eastern PA.  I rented an enclosed U-Haul.  Took the wings off and slung them from the roof with 18" pieces of carpet/foam/and safety straps.  Fuselage went in nose first with a boom support to keep all of the weight off the tail wheel.  Wheels were chocked front and back to keep them from rolling.



I stopped and every hour and a half to check on things.



Got to PA with absolutely NO damage or hanger (truck) rash.  I have some pics that I would be happy to send to you.   tohara(at)alphagraphics.com



Good luck

Light winds and soft landings-- Tom

kolbmark3

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Mt Clemens, MI

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: Lurker on the loose

Tom,



Did you use an enclosed trailer or a truck? What size and about how much did

it cost for the trip?



I would appreciate any info as I may need to move my Mark III from NC to MI

next month.



Jim Mark III

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